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Post by Ruqibabe Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:05 pm

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.  .   I do think Matt is going to worry about his reputation after the show.

Rachael’s friends do seem mean; I mean making videos saying don’t mess with the Wolfpack?!  
The friends keep making things worse for her.. The tik-tok girl complained about bullying and they proceeded to bully her in the comment section.. the childish tik-tok video just makes the accusation believable. They need to pip low and just use their energy in hyping her... Going to battle in week 2 is just unneccessary.. too early for all this in my opinion

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Post by yellowbirdcage Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:09 pm

@mbl I think her mom might just genuinely see nothing wrong with what she is saying. That is how she really views things and doesn't understand why it is offensive to others because she's never had anyone tell her it wasn't okay before. She probably thinks everyone upset is jealous her daughter won.. hence calling them "haters".
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Post by Jolena Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:32 pm

I don't know if anyone else saw the post or article a few weeks ago but I read somewhere that Rachel has a relative/parent who is black. IF this is true I don't know if I believe the rumors about her being a racist. Anyone?
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Post by suzq Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:36 pm

@Jolena I saw that Rachael's grandma was from Honduras I believe and I guess according to what her mom wrote that she has a great-grandparent who was Native American. I haven't heard about a relative who is black, though.

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Post by mbl Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:39 pm

@Jolena You can have a black relative and still be racist. IMO

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Post by lorijbaker Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:41 pm

I feel like we are being a little quick to judge here. *I'll* just let it play out and wait and see.....


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Post by luvnunity Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:08 pm

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luvnunity wrote:snipped ...Just my thoughts... The preview of him in tears after talking to CH on the curb, is really raw emotion, trying to figure out what got him to that point.

Matt is wearing the black and red checked jacket on the curb scene and is shown with Sarah wearing that same shirt. Some have speculated, me included, that perhaps the "I'm not OK" comment to CH is after Sarah self-eliminated. If we get more screen caps of Matt wearing that shirt with Michelle, then I think what you postulate could be possible, too.

Actually Matt has on the black hoodie and checked jacket with Sarah. He has on a black crew neck sweater and black aviator jacket on the curb. I looked at the pics side by side, (don’t know how to post correctly here from my phone-don’t judge me) and it doesn’t seem to be the same timeframe. Matt’s haircut is more grown out with the black jacket on. I thought it was all the same instance at first too, but this is why now I believe something devastates him at a later time.
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Post by Guest Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:39 pm

mbl wrote:@sportsgirl94 It might not have been clear but with respect to Matt’s reputation, I was referring to the future if he and Rachael continue to be together after the finale. Making these comments doesn’t seem like the thing you would do if your daughter was in an ongoing relationship with the lead knowing that they will need to distance themselves from these comments.  Do Matt and Rachael want  sponsorships in the future?  I would think so. These comments don’t align with that goal.

My apologies; I thought you meant his reputation during filming! Sorry about that. Yes, I do agree they would want sponsorships. Matt’s handling of this situation will be telling. Even if Rachael did nothing wrong, the fact that her friends did and she still associates with them and participates in their TikTok Wolfpack videos isn’t a good look. JMO.

I notice that Rachael has recently followed a few IG accounts that deal with Black Lives Matter and buying from Black Owned Business Owners. That was a clue to me she was F1. Why wasn’t she following them before? Something feels off about her; I hope I am wrong but this has the potential to be so messy.

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Post by veg_out Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:40 pm

Here're the caps to support luvnunity's theory upthread (Please see her posts here and here.)

Sarah's departure
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@luvnunity is on to something, imo.
Because we know that TPTB have an in-depth psychological profile on the leads and contestants, it seems likely that they will present certain stressors or orchestrate situations that press on Matt's pain points in order to get him to be vulnerable (they don't have the benefit of him having been a contestant). They're going to at some point, imo, provoke an emotional response in Matt that makes him confront his feelings about his father's absence from his life. He needs to face it so that he stops running when a relationship deepens otherwise TPTB likely won't get a final couple, imo...

If one of his F4 leaves later in the process (especially if it's one he's very interested in or close to), gosh, he's going to be really hurt because it's the very thing he's afraid of, imo.


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Post by Guest Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:41 pm

Ruqibabe wrote:
Sprite wrote:
Ruqibabe wrote:@sportsgirl94 Yes... I get that from Rachael a whole lot.. She feeds him everything he wants to hear. The occasional tears . On the first night, she mirrored every freaking thing he said. That was a major red flag. JMO.. WE shall see..

Interesting you should say this. This is something that I noticed as well. I wonder if she did research on him before coming on the show?
Yes...  :yes:  Rachael was well prepared... This is downside of giving the information of the bachelor before casting.. My Analysis and opinions are as follows....
1. The love is love.. Color doesn't matter.. that was for the blackness of the bachelor.. Also known as I know you are black but I am fine with it.. That didn't need to be said if one was truly ok with it.. 
2. I find it hard to open up was the counter for Matt finding it hard to be vunerable.. 
3. They reached out to me was the hard to get card.. I didnt have to be here but I saw your picture and I changed my mind. 
4. The tears during the prayer was for the viewers... It was to show that they align in the religious aspect...  
 Lauren also talked about the prayer touching her but it was in a believable way.. 
 A lot of these girls have frequented the games of rose podcast so they know the right cards to play.. Bri and Abigail would always be held in high esteem in my books because they were themselves..  they arent following any laid out script... Win or loss, they are my amazing.. 🙌🏾

You said everything perfectly. Completely agree with everything you wrote.

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Post by leavers Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:27 pm

veg_out wrote:

@luvnunity is on to something, imo.
Because we know that TPTB have an in-depth psychological profile on the leads and contestants, it seems likely that they will present certain stressors or orchestrate situations that press on Matt's pain points in order to get him to be vulnerable (they don't have the benefit of him having been a contestant). They're going to at some point, imo, provoke an emotional response in Matt that makes him confront his feelings about his father's absence from his life. He needs to face it so that he stops running when a relationship deepens otherwise TPTB likely won't get a final couple, imo...

If one of his F4 leaves later in the process (especially if it's one he's very interested in or close to), gosh, he's going to be really hurt because it's the very thing he's afraid of, imo.

This is true but I think it's wrong for reality TV shows to think they're the venue for that. They don't have the contestants and leads best interests at heart, only the show.
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Post by gurlbrit Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:19 am

luvnunity wrote:no *Throwing tomatoes!!!  I was hoping for Michelle.  This gives me the reason I needed to pull the plug on this already boring season.  I’ve only been enduring these silly episodes until the new ladies show up.  He says he’s happy, so whatevs.

I haven't watched an episode, I have no interest in one of the "brat pack" even if he is a MOC. He showed his true colors during the pandemic. I'm following along on this Forum so I can meet the ladies and see who is likely to be our next Bachelorette.


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