Bachelor 25 - Matt James - F1 - F4 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

pavalygurl wrote:I haven't been following the season very closely thus far.  I like a number of the women but am not up to speed on all the sleuthing/spoilers. Is there definitive info that Rachael is a racist?  Jeez that's awful if true.   I always like the Bachelorette better because of the guys.  But one of my friends and I were saying Matt really seemed to have a great group of women.  

I hope if this is true it's not some production idea of a "dramatic" plot point.   There is so much crazy in the world right now, can't we have another good season where there is no villain???  We have Victoria it seems for the drama.

JMO: I haven't seen any information that points directly to Rachael as being racist. It is known that she comes from a southern town with a strong history of racism, that she has questionable friends and associates (some of her friends have been accused of mean girl behavior and bullying,) and that she has made some rather oblivious choices such as liking a post of friends posing in front of a Confederate flag.

This has turned off a number of fans. Others, like me, are keeping the door cracked open (my thinking is that Matt is the one who needs to get this figured out if she is the F1.) I just hope that this is not another Garrett situation.

@Amethyst I am on the same page as you in regards to Rachel at this point. I agree with your assessment.

Why would Matt take the time to troll Rachael's account by listening to it? Why would he want people to think he picked her if he didn't actually do that? Personally, I think that Rachael may have done some questionable/problematic things which is not good at all. It is the opposite of what you would want from people in general and as an outcome of this. However, I would like to have a little hope that she and possibly her family/friends can learn something from this. They have obviously been made aware of what has been said. I am sure that they were not expecting to deal with this, but it has made them (and some other people they know) cognizant of the fact that a lot of people don't agree and why. I am not saying that means they will have a long-term relationship or not. I don't know. There are other women that he could have picked like Bri, Serena, Michelle who may have been very good choices for him. However, if he wasn't feeling it with them, then it's better he didn't pick them. I think it is worse to pick someone that you don't want -- it isn't fair to yourself or them. I also believe that people can change especially if they have motivation, too. Maybe that is an optimistic statement -- I don't know. I am willing to see how it plays out. All JMO.

Amethyst wrote:

pavalygurl wrote:I haven't been following the season very closely thus far.  I like a number of the women but am not up to speed on all the sleuthing/spoilers. Is there definitive info that Rachael is a racist?  Jeez that's awful if true.   I always like the Bachelorette better because of the guys.  But one of my friends and I were saying Matt really seemed to have a great group of women.  

I hope if this is true it's not some production idea of a "dramatic" plot point.   There is so much crazy in the world right now, can't we have another good season where there is no villain???  We have Victoria it seems for the drama.

JMO: I haven't seen any information that points directly to Rachael as being racist. It is known that she comes from a southern town with a strong history of racism, that she has questionable friends and associates (some of her friends have been accused of mean girl behavior and bullying,) and that she has made some rather oblivious choices such as liking a post of friends posing in front of a Confederate flag.

This has turned off a number of fans. Others, like me, are keeping the door cracked open (my thinking is that Matt is the one who needs to get this figured out if she is the F1.) I just hope that this is not another Garrett situation.

Hometown dates should be enlightening then? Does Matt get to go still or does Covid restrict this??

yellowbirdcage wrote:@Kayben14 We're people watching his Spotify for spoilers before yesterday? Everyone started talking about the girls spotifys yesterday and then suddenly he's listening to Rachaels? If people have been watching and he didn't slip up till now then I'd say he very likely could of saw everyone talking about it and decided to troll

No not Matt’s Spotify. On reddit about 2 days ago people were talking about how Bri added 3 songs by Bryson Tiller to her Spotify on November 27th a few days after filming ended. Rachael also added a song by Bryson tiller to her Spotify on November 26th. Matt during an interview on bachelor happy hour said his fantasy suite date song was a song by Bryson tiller. People on reddit were discussing how it was odd Bri added three songs by that artist right at filming but it wasn’t like a big discussion or spoiler. It’s maybe possible Matt saw it and was l
Listening to Rachaels playlist to throw people off. Who knows.

yellowbirdcage wrote:Why is her mom on spoiler accounts defending her? Her friends/family seem so messy &loud production probably hates them

I’m surprised that she is commenting at all, but also that her comment begins “I hope that someday someone makes up a story about you Rachael haters ...”.  I understand that she is a mother defending her daughter but this is pretty immature, especially from a fairly senior executive at a major public company, which Rachael’s mom is.  

https://www.instagram.com/p/CKH8R5MsurG/?igshid=rf2ns7ygy2t2

This is all a mess! I’m waiting to see how they try to clean this up!

@mbl  Her family and friends defending her make me think it's the first time someone has ever confronted them about their racism. They all seem overly defensive and like they don't know how to deal with it. I feel if she truly changed and viewed what she did as wrong she would have already apologized.. but her mother digging her heels in make me doubtful Rachael will be that reflective.

FWIW, I keep getting this gnawing feeling that Michelle leaves him sometime between Fantasy Suite and LCD. Reality Steve was certain that Michelle was not F1, but couldn’t confirm Rachael as F1 either. Matt describes his FSD as a Bryson Tiller Song, “Always and Forever”. I listened to it, and it’s not a sexy bedroom song. It’s a song of angst and heartache because the girl doesn’t love him like he loves her, so he’s wanting her to just leave him alone so he can forget about her. And then the fact that Matt keeps saying he’s learned what love is and about sacrifice. What has he had to sacrifice for any of them? Just my thoughts... The preview of him in tears after talking to CH on the curb, is really raw emotion, trying to figure out what got him to that point.

luvnunity wrote:This is all a mess!  I’m waiting to see how they try to clean this up!

Yes, it's quite a mess. I don't think her family and friends are helping her case. I think it would be better for Rachael to handle this herself in whatever way she sees fit.

luvnunity wrote:snipped ...Just my thoughts... The preview of him in tears after talking to CH on the curb, is really raw emotion, trying to figure out what got him to that point.

Matt is wearing the black and red checked jacket on the curb scene and is shown with Sarah wearing that same shirt. Some have speculated, me included, that perhaps the "I'm not OK" comment to CH is after Sarah self-eliminated. If we get more screen caps of Matt wearing that shirt with Michelle, then I think what you postulate could be possible, too.

Amethyst wrote:

luvnunity wrote:This is all a mess!  I’m waiting to see how they try to clean this up!

Yes, it's quite a mess. I don't think her family and friends are helping her case. I think it would be better for Rachael to handle this herself in whatever way she sees fit.

I completely agree with you. Her friends and family are actually making it worse. Rachael can address it when the time comes.

The way her family and friends are acting does support what RS said about them telling people Rachael was F1. I will have to see Rachael and Matt interact more but, as of now, I feel like Rachael is there to win and not for Matt.

She said something in the first episode that was interesting. The producers approached her. This does make me think the producers knew she and her friends had questionable social media activity and recruited her. I’m sure she applied; they didn’t just randomly go to Cumings, GA to get her. But, if the producers found the social media activity in question, no doubt they wanted her.

I hope I am wrong about her and Matt and they genuinely formed a connection. It’s just women like Bri, Abigail and Serena P. seem like better fits. JMO.