Bachelor 24 - Peter Weber - Mar 9th & 10th Finale - Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #2

Doggoneit wrote:@jojo47 He apparently asked Hannah Ann in January if he could reach out to HB for closure.   JANUARY.

jojo47 wrote:

Doggoneit wrote:@jojo47 He apparently asked Hannah Ann in January if he could reach out to HB for closure.   JANUARY.

Thank you! Good grief...

cheriee wrote:

Chgohighlife wrote: IMO Madi was quite clear about what changed in the last three months. She said to CH she could not eat or sleep and IMO she looked it. I don’t claim to know what Madi did or, did not know but, unless he reached out to her, it would make sense that she assumed as most fans did that he was involved with someone other than her. So, CH showing up and telling her was likely the first time she knew that Peter was single and still an option.

You’re waiting for Madi to “lay out the picture of a future she envisions with Peter”? I have watched this show for years and I’ve never seen any contestant or lead do that. It’s an unreasonable expectation, IMO of any couple and more so of this couple because of their youth and obstacles and external interference. It does not happen on this show, generally and it’s an unfair requirement of a couple developed through this process in any case, IMO.

Madi left. Peter was hurt but, he knows why and he’s forgiven her. She’s obviously not holding what happened next on the show designed for, pushing for, manipulating an engagement, against him.

They owe it to themselves to sit down away from prying eyes and his toxic family and just be two young people in love for a while and figure it out. Only they will know what should come next and they’ve got plenty of time to figure it out. All IMO.

Well said @Chgohighlife. IMO Madi left Australia thinking she'd try her best to move forward, but even in the car leaving she said she'd miss Peter every day and that she still loved him. People seem to want some logical explanation for things, the heart will never offer that. I'd guess she got back home, tried to forget, then started watching the show back, and she remembered everything. She kept saying in that final week that she just couldn't move beyond things in her mind. I think she needed time and space away from production and their whispers to really think about what had happened between her and Peter. To understand Peter's perspective more and how they'd miscommunicated. She was also clearly struggling, not eating or sleeping well, and regretted walking away. I don't find it surprising at all that the both wanted a second chance.

I completely agree that they should now take a moment to just be two people in love. It might very well end up in a break up, but I don't understand why people can't just let them live their lives on their own terms. People in seemingly perfect relationships break up too. There is no science to this all. Life is too short, I say give it a go, grow and learn from each other. And if wasn't meant to be, then at least you won't regret what might've been. All JMO.

Doggoneit wrote:@jojo47 He apparently asked Hannah Ann in January if he could reach out to HB for closure.   JANUARY.

Chgohighlife wrote:

LadyisaDame wrote:Personally I think Barb sacrificed herself for her son.  Don't get me wrong, she's a Momma Bear and most likely will not/wasn't going to accept Madison regardless but there had to be a reason she went full-blown Kodiak .. what's the afterward buzz?  Are people tearing apart Peter for being such an indecisive Wet Willie or is all the attention on Barb and her actions and sympathy for Peter and Madison?  JMO

@LadyisaDame
You just deeply insulted Mama Bears everywhere. Barb is NOT a member of our club, believe me. She is a manipulative, classless, tacky, controller who is so self centered and self serving, she found the perfect stepford husband who allowed her to place the weight of a ridiculous onslaught of tears and histrionics on helpless little boys until they became stepford sons.

Those boys don’t even have careers of their own. If I remember correctly they are both pilots like their dad. Those so-called men are guilt-ridden, uber manipulated and pathetic - measuring their entire lives on the basis of what SHE wants and what will stem the tide of another tear filled hissy fit.
I did not see protective, motherly instincts. There are many wholesome, loving mother-son relationships we can all see, everyday. Fierce love of a son who has been encouraged and supported to become a man.  On my screen, I saw a woman who completely flipped her s**t because she felt her ironclad control of Peter slipping. IMO, she does not love him, she does not respect him and she does not care how he feels or what he wants. How dare he not bring home (to “us”) the girl most likely to worship HER. She could never have totally embarrassed and humiliated him for the entertainment of millions and to satisfy her own self-righteous ego if she truly loved him, IMO. I’m sure she thinks she loves him and there are those who support that notion. I disagree.

Seeing who and what Barb is explained Peter’s behavior all season, in technicolor. How he was impacted and manipulated by tears, tattling, lying and manipulation. How he failed to please anyone because he tried to say things and behave to please everyone, especially tptb. How even when Madi got up and left the table on their FD, or when she showed up at his house last week, he had to wait to measure his reactions. He never just ran to her or had a natural response. He’s stilted and uncertain, always.

Madi is going to take Barb’s finished masterpiece of submissive, yes man over 2500 miles away. The main reason they hate her, IMO. I don’t envy Madi the work she has ahead of her to help him grow back what Barb has kept in her purse all his life. Through faith and love and with the help of other strong men in her family and religious community, she may actually succeed in making Peter the man she needs and wants but even if she doesn’t and he gives up and goes back home, the light of the real world has been shone on Barbara and their whole family. Peter will not soon forget what it showed him about his mom (dad and brother, too). He loves her, loves them all I’m sure but, not even Barb can put that genie back in the bottle. She didn’t just tip her hand, she took off all her masks on Main Street/national tv. The more each one of them tries to justify their behavior, the more the dysfunction dances and entertains.

Shame on tptb for making Peter’s family his co-stars. What they thought was compelling drama was just So Very SAD. All IMO.

Amethyst wrote:

Doggoneit wrote:@jojo47 He apparently asked Hannah Ann in January if he could reach out to HB for closure.   JANUARY.

Oh, wow. For some reason I thought Hannah Ann was referring to Peter's meeting with Hannah B. early in his season. It didn't make sense to me why HA continued to be disturbed by it. But now it makes sense, if Peter reached out to H.B. *again* while he was still engaged.

I'm starting to think that Peter has no clue as to what he wants. At least with Colton, when Cassie left he went after her. It was Cassie or bust.

cheriee wrote:snipped...She was also clearly struggling, not eating or sleeping well, and regretted walking away. I don't find it surprising at all that the both wanted a second chance.

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LaineyG wrote:

Amethyst wrote:

Doggoneit wrote:@jojo47 He apparently asked Hannah Ann in January if he could reach out to HB for closure.   JANUARY.

Oh, wow. For some reason I thought Hannah Ann was referring to Peter's meeting with Hannah B. early in his season. It didn't make sense to me why HA continued to be disturbed by it. But now it makes sense, if Peter reached out to H.B. *again* while he was still engaged.

I'm starting to think that Peter has no clue as to what he wants. At least with Colton, when Cassie left he went after her. It was Cassie or bust.

Someone made the comment on Reddit that he reached out to Hanna b to get breakup advice since Hanna broke it off with Jed and faced hate and backlash.....initially.  Etc.  this is my opinion too. I actually think Hanna b wants nothing to do with this season and certainly glad it’s over.    Jmo.   I keep checking for peter or Madi to make a statement but I understand they prob want privacy now.  I would love to know where they went since Chris H reported that Madi and peter left out a separate door from his parents last night.