Bachelor 24 - Peter Weber - Mar 9th & 10th Finale - Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #2

Hotmomma wrote:@Chgohighlife you said it beautifully!

northernviewer wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:@northernviewer IA and didn't he say he hadn't seen her in a month?

The F1 and lead see each other during SHV's, did that not ring a bell for her?

For sure.  HA ...IMO ... planned her words strategically, she played nice with tptb ... methinks we'll be seeing a lot of her in the coming years as a frequent flyer of Bach Nation

cheriee wrote:@Astrobach I have no doubt what we saw was a toxic dynamic that has played out before in the Weber family. If Peter doesn't do as Barb wishes, he will be punished and manipulated until he complies. I saw comments asking why Peter wasn't happier, wondering why he and Madi weren't more demonstrative, questioning their love. What I saw on that stage was a son who wanted to prevent an attack he knew was coming. But Barb didn't get her way, and punishing and humiliating Peter and Madi was her retribution. It was disgusting to see.

I honestly see Peter either having the wake up call he needs, or his Mother making even bigger threats until he returns to her control. I just truly hope somehow he realizes that his life is never going to be his own if he doesn't draw a line in the sand.

As for Madi and Peter, I really don't know what will happen. But I am absolutely certain that they love each other, they wouldn't have put themselves through this turmoil if they didn't. You can question a lot, but how much they love each other shouldn't be on that list. And I'll think that whether they stay together or not. All JMO.

ReneeM wrote:

gabriele wrote:Really? Barb is completely OTT but she explained exactly why she had such a negative impression of Madi. She said Madi didn’t want to come in and meet Peter’s family, made them wait 3 hours and didn’t apologize for that, said she didn’t love Peter and wouldn’t accept a proposal. How would any parent feel hearing that?! Barb confronted Madi and Madi couldn’t even offer the slightest olive branch. A complete and total lack of humility and respect for her elders. Barb was awful too. Sorry but Madi’s conduct was as unchristian as it gets. jmo

Speak on it! I absolutely loved it because it was funny as hell to me, but Barb shouldn’t have acted like she did for her son’s sake. & Madi shouldn’t have reacted like she did, if she truly loves Peter & wants to be with him. At the end of the day, that’s Peter’s mom & Barb isn’t going anywhere. Madi was very unchristian like to me tonight. She was smug and classless, refused to see where she could’ve handled things better, and is extremely self righteous. All jmo.

Longhornfan wrote:

locoforbach wrote: Snipped.....

As for Peter and Madi, do they love or lust each other? To love someone is to truly understand and accept the person they are. Does Peter want to respect and support Madi's beliefs or is he hoping to change them? He went against her wishes in a very "intimate" way. Show format or not he knew she was his F1 yet he took an opportunity with HA. Madi was correct when she left because they have different values and lifestyle. What has changed in the past 3 months to make anything different?  It is very apparent that they are attracted to each other. I wish them the best and if they are meant to be it will all work out. They didn't deserve any of the judgmental criticism they received last night.

This is what I too see that is missing from the conversation, what did change within the last 3 months to make anything different?

To me it appears that Madison is in love with the "idea of who Peter could be" rather than looking at who he has presented himself to be.  I am sure that he probably does possess some qualities that she likes and admires, but to me those seem to be the only things that she is focusing on.  This notion of love conquers all is just a fairytale IMO, and it should never mean that someone needs to change who they are in order to be acceptable.  Can she truly accept him if he can not live up to her expectation that he be the strong spiritual leader that she so wants?  

What I have yet to hear from Madison is any clear and coherent conversations where she lays out the picture that she sees for a future she envisions with Peter.  What are the compromises that she is willing to make, and what compromises is she willing to accept from Peter?  She said that she is strong willed?  (That could be a trait that she actually shares with his mother and could explain them butting heads).  OTOH Peter is very indecisive and a people pleaser.  He wants to please and get along with everyone.  And I can not imagine him ever cutting his family out of his life completely.

And if they didn't already have a boatload of differences and issues to overcome, Peter went on national television and got engaged and unengaged.  And Madison didn't seem the least bit peeved about that?  However Peter did seem a little standoffish and did say how hurt he was by her leaving him high and dry at the last minute.  And to me that seemed both appropriate and the truth.

So what did change in the last 3 months?

GuardianAngel wrote:

northernviewer wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:@northernviewer IA and didn't he say he hadn't seen her in a month?

The F1 and lead see each other during SHV's, did that not ring a bell for her?

For sure.  HA ...IMO ... planned her words strategically, she played nice with tptb ... methinks we'll be seeing a lot of her in the coming years as a frequent flyer of Bach Nation

If I had the time I would compare Becca/Arie's break up with Peter/Hannah because to me I was listening to a lot of the very same words. Now we are reading she was ok with him getting closure with HB, Becca was ok with Arie speaking with Lauren.

pbmax wrote:

ReneeM wrote:

gabriele wrote:Really? Barb is completely OTT but she explained exactly why she had such a negative impression of Madi. She said Madi didn’t want to come in and meet Peter’s family, made them wait 3 hours and didn’t apologize for that, said she didn’t love Peter and wouldn’t accept a proposal. How would any parent feel hearing that?! Barb confronted Madi and Madi couldn’t even offer the slightest olive branch. A complete and total lack of humility and respect for her elders. Barb was awful too. Sorry but Madi’s conduct was as unchristian as it gets. jmo

Speak on it! I absolutely loved it because it was funny as hell to me, but Barb shouldn’t have acted like she did for her son’s sake. & Madi shouldn’t have reacted like she did, if she truly loves Peter & wants to be with him. At the end of the day, that’s Peter’s mom & Barb isn’t going anywhere. Madi was very unchristian like to me tonight. She was smug and classless, refused to see where she could’ve handled things better, and is extremely self righteous. All jmo.

I guess Jesus shouldn't have turned over those tables.  
It's not About being self righteous but God's righteousness. I think that's Barb biggest problem with Madison is that she's a Christian while Peter and herself are not. She prefer him to stay going out and clubbing and to say she prayed, obviously she doesn't know how God works. I was listening to what his father said when Peter came to tell them his decision, he said I hope he chose what we been hoping for and is happy with the decision. So he should be happy with what they want. I was expecting her to accept Peter decision but was totally shocked to see her behavior and I was still expecting her to say something nice but didn't. I've seen some despicable things on this show but this takes the cake and I don't think her attitude is going to get better. She better watch herself "no weapon form against me, shall prosper".

Chgohighlife wrote: IMO Madi was quite clear about what changed in the last three months. She said to CH she could not eat or sleep and IMO she looked it. I don’t claim to know what Madi did or, did not know but, unless he reached out to her, it would make sense that she assumed as most fans did that he was involved with someone other than her. So, CH showing up and telling her was likely the first time she knew that Peter was single and still an option.

You’re waiting for Madi to “lay out the picture of a future she envisions with Peter”? I have watched this show for years and I’ve never seen any contestant or lead do that. It’s an unreasonable expectation, IMO of any couple and more so of this couple because of their youth and obstacles and external interference. It does not happen on this show, generally and it’s an unfair requirement of a couple developed through this process in any case, IMO.

Madi left. Peter was hurt but, he knows why and he’s forgiven her. She’s obviously not holding what happened next on the show designed for, pushing for, manipulating an engagement, against him.

They owe it to themselves to sit down away from prying eyes and his toxic family and just be two young people in love for a while and figure it out. Only they will know what should come next and they’ve got plenty of time to figure it out. All IMO.