Bachelor 24 - Peter Weber - Mar 9th & 10th Finale - Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

bluwavz wrote:





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PETER STAYING AT THE LASSETERS / Crowne Plaza in Alices Springs



Lasseters https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/oceania/australia/northern-territory/hotels/lasseters-hotel/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw via @TelegraphTravel

Jolena wrote:

HEA wrote:^^ for a girl announcing her departure few hours later, she looks very happy.... imo

Him on the other hand is not the same peter I saw with Hannah brown...

If I compare both pics, I find peter way more into HA. Imo

I agree, She sure does. I would like to see them give this a good shot IRL They do have alot of the same family values in common and can grow spiritually together too. Time will tell.

I’m not convinced their ideas of family values are similar especially if looking at their respective families. Madi’s parents don’t seem to drink alcohol or at the least didn’t want to give that impression on tv in order to “avoid the appearance of evil”. Peter’s parents gave the impression of getting it on in the backseat of the van. Obviously they didn’t, but they thought that was funny to do. Madi’s parents seem very strict and Madi mirrored that same strictness by saying she wouldn’t get engaged after Peter had sex. Peter says he knew who his frontrunner was since week 4 and Madi told him she didn’t want him to sleep with anyone and yet he did. To me their ideas of family values seem vastly different in these areas. One looks to be extremely conservative and traditional while the other is much more permissive. I’m not saying they couldn’t ever make it work if they are together but their family backgrounds have significant differences. jmo

cheriee wrote:There's also a big difference seemingly between the day portion and the night portion of HA's LCD...

I think production wants us to think this is part of the night time portion of their LCD. To me it looks like a meeting Pete and Hannah Ann had after they left Australia JMO

cheriee wrote:Something must happen during that conversation with Madi on the LCD that we've not yet heard about. IMO that's a key missing piece. If she was hanging by a thread already as she stated, maybe something just breaks and she feels that it's best for her to leave. That IMO would make sense why Peter is then talking about being heartbroken. With more time after that FS dinner maybe Madi would've felt differently, but with the FRC being just a day or so away (and with what I am guessing is production telling her they can book her on a flight right away if she needs one) she might choose to leave.

There's also a big difference seemingly between the day portion and the night portion of HA's LCD. They seemed close in the day portion, but Peter seems quite withdrawn with HA during the clip of the night portion where HA even says to him that she doesn't feel like he reciprocates what she's showing. As far as I can tell, the HA date seems to come before Madi's one. Can't really compare the body language in those two pics they chose to post IMO, one is showing HA and Peter in a (semi) private moment, another with Madi and Peter in a helicopter posing for a photo. All JMO.

I agree and my guess is twofold. A) Peter’s dad has a talk with her, alone,that seems to bring some hesitancy in her and Peter is not aware of this private conversation until she talks to him about it maybe in this last date.
B) Given all the above AND the fact that producers are intent on pressuring Madi into an engagement despite her adamant preference NOT TO do so, she may have heard that Peter is considering HA who is READY to be engaged...and she panics and decides to leave (helped by production who have a plan B in place. ) Because Madi never got that time alone WITHOUT CAMERAS AND PRODUCERS, There is a LOT more assumptions on their part and more easy manipulation possible from the prod side, as they cannot check with each other what was communicated to or from each producers. I think Colton really was referencing that part at some point, in how much their wires seemed to be crossed BECAUSE of production’ s interference.

Just thinking out loud but, it’s very likely that they ( TPTB ) pull on the big cards saved for the last moment.
JMOAA

gabriele wrote:

Jolena wrote:

HEA wrote:^^ for a girl announcing her departure few hours later, she looks very happy.... imo

Him on the other hand is not the same peter I saw with Hannah brown...

If I compare both pics, I find peter way more into HA. Imo

I agree, She sure does. I would like to see them give this a good shot IRL They do have alot of the same family values in common and can grow spiritually together too. Time will tell.

I’m not convinced their ideas of family values are similar especially if looking at their respective families. Madi’s parents don’t seem to drink alcohol or at the least didn’t want to give that impression on tv in order to “avoid the appearance of evil”. Peter’s parents gave the impression of getting it on in the backseat of the van. Obviously they didn’t, but they thought that was funny to do. Madi’s parents seem very strict and Madi mirrored that same strictness by saying she wouldn’t get engaged after Peter had sex. Peter says he knew who his frontrunner was since week 4 and Madi told him she didn’t want him to sleep with anyone and yet he did. To me their ideas of  family values seem vastly different in these areas. One looks to be extremely conservative and traditional while the other is much more permissive. I’m not saying they couldn’t ever make it work if they are together but their family backgrounds have significant differences. jmo

It's obvious Madi adores and respects her parents but I also think there's that adventurous side to her (with relationships too) that she needs to explore and if she fell in love with Peter and wants to continue a relationship with him (which could very well be) if they don't give her their blessings to figure it out they could end up regretting it. The heart wants what the heart wants. If she is with him Im sure her parents did give their blessings and convinced her to date him (not get engaged this soon) and see where it goes. jmo

@Astrobach There is a small moment shown of Madi and Peter in another trailer that seemed to me to depict the aftermath of Madi telling Peter that she’s conflicted and feels that she needs to leave. She’s holding onto his arm and he’s looking straight ahead. Maybe this is after he’s unsuccessfully pleaded with her to stay. The tone of the conversation that we saw in the first preview seemed to be Madi wrestling with her feelings, stating that she is in love with Peter, but IMO maybe that she also thinks it’s best for her to leave. I agree that production played a part in this, and IMO they told her that at any point they could get her on the first flight out of there. They might also have told her that HA was completely ready to get engaged (which HA states in her ITM in the episode preview clip too). IMO production did this thinking it would lead to an engagement with HA, but all that happened in the end was more indecision from Peter and him not being able to let Madi go. Anyway that’s just one theory. It’s hard to know how it’ll all play out because I do think we’re missing some important information. All JMO.

cheriee wrote:@Astrobach There is a small moment shown of Madi and Peter in another trailer that seemed to me to depict the aftermath of Madi telling Peter that she’s conflicted and feels that she needs to leave. She’s holding onto his arm and he’s looking straight ahead. Maybe this is after he’s unsuccessfully pleaded with her to stay. The tone of the conversation that we saw in the first preview seemed to be Madi wrestling with her feelings, stating that she is in love with Peter, but IMO maybe that she also thinks it’s best for her to leave. I agree that production played a part in this, and IMO they told her that at any point they could get her on the first flight out of there. They might also have told her that HA was completely ready to get engaged (which HA states in her ITM in the episode preview clip too). IMO production did this thinking it would lead to an engagement with HA, but all that happened in the end was more indecision from Peter and him not being able to let Madi go. Anyway that’s just one theory. It’s hard to know how it’ll all play out because I do think we’re missing some important information. All JMO.

Madi leaving wouldn’t lead to an engagement with Hannah IMO because Hannah said she wanted to be chosen. Hannah has said this a few times. Madi leaving removes Peter’s ability to show Hannah that he has made a choice.That’s been Hannah’s storyline all season.

@notarose Is it possible then that HA finds out that Madi left, and this prompts whatever news Peter gets alerting him at the FRC that she isn't coming? RS seems to be missing a lot of the details.

But, I thought people keep saying you can't leave or reject a proposal at F1?  CH keeps saying he nor production knew what was going on.  It obviously didn't end in AU although they are going to make it seem like it with that stupid setup at the Airbnb.  VO from Madi and Peter that seemed to indicate they worked things out or were trying.  IDK, this whole thing is making no sense with no insider info. Even with Desiree's season, I had a sister of Brooks that was indicating what happened.  Which sucks that we have nothing this time.

eta

The episode description lets us know that there is no engagement.

“The Bachelor: Season Finale Part 2” – America watched live on Monday night as a devastated and emotional Peter attempted to make sense of his situation. Can he turn it around? Will he get engaged? Peter, Hannah Ann and Madison will all appear live with Chris Harrison to talk about those tumultuous days in Australia and the rollercoaster of events that have happened since. It’s all on night two of the two-night, live special, season finale event on “The Bachelor,” TUESDAY, MARCH 10 (8:00-10:01 p.m. EDT), on ABC. Episodes can also be viewed the next day on demand and on Hulu.

I just don't see HS as one to just up and leave without talking to Peter. I just don't.

Astrobach wrote:

I agree and my guess is twofold. A) Peter’s dad has a talk with her, alone,that seems to bring some hesitancy in her and Peter is not aware of this private conversation until she talks to him about it maybe in this last date.  
B) Given all the above AND the fact that producers are intent on pressuring Madi into an engagement despite her adamant preference NOT TO do so, she may have heard that Peter is considering HA who is READY to be engaged...and she panics and decides to leave (helped by production who have a plan B in place. ) Because Madi never got that time alone WITHOUT CAMERAS AND PRODUCERS, There is a LOT more assumptions on their part and more easy manipulation possible from the prod side, as they cannot check with each other what was communicated to or from each producers. I think Colton really was referencing that part at some point, in how much their wires seemed to be crossed BECAUSE of production’ s interference.

Just thinking out loud but, it’s very likely that they ( TPTB ) pull on the big cards saved for the last moment.
JMOAA

That IMO is a large part of all the miscommunication between Peter and Madison.  Not having the alone time on the FSD meant they could not have those deep discussions that they obviously needed to have.  Without all of the interference from production, they could have had a date like Hannah and Tyler.  Hannah up front said that she just wanted to talk with Tyler and get to know him better.  Because TPTB put Madison last, she had all these doubts going into the night time portion of the date and even if Peter suggested that they just talk, she would turn it down for how it looked since he admitted to intimacy in at least one other date.  IMO she is fine when they are out doing activities, it is the discussion time of their dates where the miscommunication starts happening.

And when looking at the editing of the season, Madison essentially disappears after their 1-on-1 for several episodes.  Yet, Hannah Ann is still shown even after her figuring out TPTB's manipulation of champagne gate and her stepping back when any drama was going on.  Madison was just someone in the background when she was on screen most of the time. IMO TPTB wanted Hannah Ann to be the beloved one by fans and not Madison.  We really did not see why Peter was so taken with Madison. The couple of moments we saw at cocktail parties or post date discussions that showed something between them came out of nowhere for me.

These are just my opinions but the excessive manipulation by production was outrageous this season.  In Peter they saw someone they could manipulate very easily and they took advantage of it.

IMO

That's why I still think Madi and HS would be best served to find another guy, because Peter just seems too much under control of production as we speak. The show is coddling him big time.

I know we regularly talk about being in the bubble, but this season in particular themore I read the more I find myself laughing about the use of the word love by any parties. How I would relish reading journal articles by sociologists and/or psychologists about this crazy set-up marriage brokering show, .  I have little doubt  Madi and peter feel very drawn to each other, but how can intelligent people whip out that four-letter word knowing the situation they are living in??? Much as Cassie at the time drove me crazy with her indecisiveness (altho Colton did equally with his unwavering conviction and refusal to accept what she seemed to want), I think she showed she had some brain cells by questioning the crazy process. And Madi did as well.  If indeed p and m are together, it would appear she has taken the lead in their relationship, which might not be the worst thing.   But I wonder if Peter will just go with the flow or come to resent it. Jmo