Bachelor 22 - Arie Luyendyk Jr - Episodes - Mar 5th FRC ATFR - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

pbmax wrote:

Stone_Hedge wrote:

pbmax wrote:

Ok! I've always said you have to be careful of what you say, things have a way of coming back on you. There's always a first time for everything.JMO

Um, I think you should be talking to Arie

Arie time with the bachelor is over after tonight, he'll move over for the next victim.

Can’t wait till he’s over! Bring on the next victim!

Who's next victim?  Arie's or MF's?  

pbmax wrote:

Stone_Hedge wrote:

pbmax wrote:

Ok! I've always said you have to be careful of what you say, things have a way of coming back on you. There's always a first time for everything.JMO

Um, I think you should be talking to Arie

Arie time with the bachelor is over after tonight, he'll move over for the next victim.

100% .... MF doesn’t care who he trashes for the sake of this show, and the setup for his next lead. IN this way, he is gender neutral ... he’s all about equality that’s for sure

Ladybug82 wrote:Who's next victim?  Arie's or MF's?  

Dang! Arie got a lot of power.

GuardianAngel wrote:
How do we know this? There are a number of possibilities as to how all this went down. He could have contacted TPTB before any of the SHV's and told them he is having a change of heart. He could have been told to try with Becca. He could have told TPTB after Dec 8th SHV he tried, but he wants to split and see if Lauren will reconsider.

He could have been told he's going to have to break up with Becca first, on camera, then go to Lauren's parents house on camera. I highly doubt TPTB pulled up with SUV's to Lauren's parents unexpectedly and I doubt Aire tricked Becca to film the breakup because that's what he wanted to do.

To say that Arie made the producers film the break up is an opinion and mine is he didn't have any say in the matter. This was all planned IMHO since what we know so far, takes time and planning and IMO it wasn't Arie's doing. I'm not saying this makes him look any better, that's not my point.

Is it your opinion that the TPTB's contract includes a stipulation that any disruption in the final relationship be relayed to TPTB prior to communicating it with the other person in the relationship?

To me, this is the most interesting piece of the puzzle. Why, when, and how did Arie relay this information to TPTB?

Plenty of Bachelors/ettes have broken up with their F1 w/o coordinating with TPTB and even a few prior to the ATFR. Arie could've broken up with Becca prior to telling TPTB. A simple text or call would've done it. And that would've ended the "did the break-up have to be filmed" discussion. But, he didn't. And even if it was in the contract -- that relationship trouble be reported to TPTB first -- Arie hasn't exactly shown himself to be a diligent rule-follower...what with posting pics with Becca and liking Lauren's insta pics and even flying to see Emily w/ his journal in tow.

What's also interesting is that Arie didn't need TPTB to get in touch with Lauren -- he was already liking her insta pics and probably sliding into her DMs. But maybe he did need TPTB to get something he wanted...a ring for Lauren B., a stint on DWTS, a financial incentive, or some other exchangeable commodity. And that's why the break-up/reunion was filmed. Because again, the break-up could've been done off camera and the reunion with Lauren still filmed.

We'll see how it plays out tonight and then sift through all the inside scoop from "sources" and "friends of" that will follow in the days to come. I can't wait!

GuardianAngel wrote:To say that Arie made the producers film the break up is an opinion and mine is he didn't have any say in the matter. This was all planned IMHO since what we know so far, takes time and planning and IMO it wasn't Arie's doing. I'm not saying this makes him look any better, that's not my point.

That is my opinion as well. Further, IMO Becca didn't have any say in the matter and neither did Lauren. They were all (as is everyone else who ever signed a contract to appear on the show) IMO under a contract obligating them to appear - if requested by the show - in any "special episodes" filmed for the next 3 years.

I further believe that from the time Arie expressed misgivings about his choice, everything was put on "lockdown" by the show. IMO they know they are not dealing with Meryl Streep or Judi Dench whose acting skills allow them to credibly act surprised or sad or blindsided on demand with only prompts from a director. The only way these unskilled "actors" can exhibit those emotions is if they actually are surprised, or saddened, or blindsided - so the producers do that so they can get credible reactions. I know this too is only an opinion and we are all entitled to our own - this one just happens to be mine.
JMHO

Lucas15 wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:To say that Arie made the producers film the break up is an opinion and mine is he didn't have any say in the matter. This was all planned IMHO since what we know so far, takes time and planning and IMO it wasn't Arie's doing. I'm not saying this makes him look any better, that's not my point.

That is my opinion as well. Further, IMO Becca didn't have any say in the matter and neither did Lauren. They were all (as is everyone else who ever signed a contract to appear on the show) IMO under a contract obligating them to appear - if requested by the show - in any "special episodes" filmed for the next 3 years.

I further believe that from the time Arie expressed misgivings about his choice, everything was put on "lockdown" by the show. IMO they know they are not dealing with Meryl Streep or Judi Dench whose acting skills allow them to credibly act surprised or sad or blindsided on demand with only prompts from a director. The only way these unskilled "actors" can exhibit those emotions is if they actually are surprised, or saddened, or blindsided - so the producers do that so they can get credible reactions. I know this too is only an opinion and we are all entitled to our own - this one just happens to be mine.
JMHO

As others have noted, Arie disobeyed the rules multiple times in the past. So I doubt following TPTB’s rules, when he already broke them this season matters much to Arie. 

Either he follows the rules or he doesn’t. The excuse being used selectively confuses me.

JMO.

@stuckinsc Yeah, Arie doesn't give a sh*t about the rules. Never has, never will. IMO.

North wrote: But maybe he did need TPTB to get something he wanted...a ring for Lauren B., a stint on DWTS, a financial incentive, or some other exchangeable commodity. And that's why the break-up/reunion was filmed. Because again, the break-up could've been done off camera and the reunion with Lauren still filmed.

We'll see how it plays out tonight and then sift through all the inside scoop from "sources" and "friends of" that will follow in the days to come. I can't wait!

IMO, the days of crossovers to DWTS are over.

In case you [generic] haven't heard, there is no regular season of DWTS this spring. American Idol is going to be on during the Monday time slot from 3/12/18 to 4/23/18. DWTS is slated to have a very short season instead. Rumors are that it will be all athletes, focusing on Olympians. DWTS is slated to be aired on 4/30/18, 5/7/18, 5/14/18 and 5/21/18. As for Arie being on a shortened season of DWTS, with those available dates, I don't see it. He has a weekend of racing in Perth, Australia on May 4-6.

I'm also not sure ABC will want Arie to be on DWTS with everything that has gone on this season

On a side note, it looks like The Bachelorette will not start airing until at least 5/28/18.

North wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:
How do we know this? There are a number of possibilities as to how all this went down. He could have contacted TPTB before any of the SHV's and told them he is having a change of heart. He could have been told to try with Becca. He could have told TPTB after Dec 8th SHV he tried, but he wants to split and see if Lauren will reconsider.

He could have been told he's going to have to break up with Becca first, on camera, then go to Lauren's parents house on camera. I highly doubt TPTB pulled up with SUV's to Lauren's parents unexpectedly and I doubt Aire tricked Becca to film the breakup because that's what he wanted to do.

To say that Arie made the producers film the break up is an opinion and mine is he didn't have any say in the matter. This was all planned IMHO since what we know so far, takes time and planning and IMO it wasn't Arie's doing. I'm not saying this makes him look any better, that's not my point.

Is it your opinion that the TPTB's contract includes a stipulation that any disruption in the final relationship be relayed to TPTB prior to communicating it with the other person in the relationship?

To me, this is the most interesting piece of the puzzle. Why, when, and how did Arie relay this information to TPTB?

Plenty of Bachelors/ettes have broken up with their F1 w/o coordinating with TPTB and even a few prior to the ATFR. Arie could've broken up with Becca prior to telling TPTB. A simple text or call would've done it. And that would've ended the "did the break-up have to be filmed" discussion. But, he didn't. And even if it was in the contract -- that relationship trouble be reported to TPTB first -- Arie hasn't exactly shown himself to be a diligent rule-follower...what with posting pics with Becca and liking Lauren's insta pics and even flying to see Emily w/ his journal in tow.

What's also interesting is that Arie didn't need TPTB to get in touch with Lauren -- he was already liking her insta pics and probably sliding into her DMs. But maybe he did need TPTB to get something he wanted...a ring for Lauren B., a stint on DWTS, a financial incentive, or some other exchangeable commodity. And that's why the break-up/reunion was filmed. Because again, the break-up could've been done off camera and the reunion with Lauren still filmed.

We'll see how it plays out tonight and then sift through all the inside scoop from "sources" and "friends of" that will follow in the days to come. I can't wait!

There would have been a even more outrage. It was going to be on film no matter how he did it.

As for the rules, Arie was a contestant 5 yrs ago now he's the lead.

havadrpepper wrote:

North wrote: But maybe he did need TPTB to get something he wanted...a ring for Lauren B., a stint on DWTS, a financial incentive, or some other exchangeable commodity. And that's why the break-up/reunion was filmed. Because again, the break-up could've been done off camera and the reunion with Lauren still filmed.

We'll see how it plays out tonight and then sift through all the inside scoop from "sources" and "friends of" that will follow in the days to come. I can't wait!

IMO, the days of crossovers to DWTS are over.

In case you [generic] haven't heard, there is no regular season of DWTS this spring.  American Idol is going to be on during the Monday time slot from 3/12/18 to 4/23/18.  DWTS is slated to have a very short season instead. Rumors are that it will be all athletes, focusing on Olympians.  DWTS is slated to be aired on 4/30/18, 5/7/18, 5/14/18 and 5/21/18.  As for Arie being on a shortened season of DWTS, with those available dates, I don't see it.  He has a weekend of racing in Perth, Australia on May 4-6.

I'm also not sure ABC will want Arie to be on DWTS with everything that has gone on this season

On a side note, it looks like The Bachelorette will not start airing until at least 5/28/18.

Ita. They won’t want him starting of with Peta then trying to switch to Lindsey
Jmso

pbmax wrote:

North wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:
How do we know this? There are a number of possibilities as to how all this went down. He could have contacted TPTB before any of the SHV's and told them he is having a change of heart. He could have been told to try with Becca. He could have told TPTB after Dec 8th SHV he tried, but he wants to split and see if Lauren will reconsider.

He could have been told he's going to have to break up with Becca first, on camera, then go to Lauren's parents house on camera. I highly doubt TPTB pulled up with SUV's to Lauren's parents unexpectedly and I doubt Aire tricked Becca to film the breakup because that's what he wanted to do.

To say that Arie made the producers film the break up is an opinion and mine is he didn't have any say in the matter. This was all planned IMHO since what we know so far, takes time and planning and IMO it wasn't Arie's doing. I'm not saying this makes him look any better, that's not my point.

Is it your opinion that the TPTB's contract includes a stipulation that any disruption in the final relationship be relayed to TPTB prior to communicating it with the other person in the relationship?

To me, this is the most interesting piece of the puzzle. Why, when, and how did Arie relay this information to TPTB?

Plenty of Bachelors/ettes have broken up with their F1 w/o coordinating with TPTB and even a few prior to the ATFR. Arie could've broken up with Becca prior to telling TPTB. A simple text or call would've done it. And that would've ended the "did the break-up have to be filmed" discussion. But, he didn't. And even if it was in the contract -- that relationship trouble be reported to TPTB first -- Arie hasn't exactly shown himself to be a diligent rule-follower...what with posting pics with Becca and liking Lauren's insta pics and even flying to see Emily w/ his journal in tow.

What's also interesting is that Arie didn't need TPTB to get in touch with Lauren -- he was already liking her insta pics and probably sliding into her DMs. But maybe he did need TPTB to get something he wanted...a ring for Lauren B., a stint on DWTS, a financial incentive, or some other exchangeable commodity. And that's why the break-up/reunion was filmed. Because again, the break-up could've been done off camera and the reunion with Lauren still filmed.

We'll see how it plays out tonight and then sift through all the inside scoop from "sources" and "friends of" that will follow in the days to come. I can't wait!

There would have been a even more outrage. It was going to be on film no matter how he did it.

As for the rules, Arie was a contestant 5 yrs ago now he's the lead.

Assuming the first statement is in your opinion or do you have other inside information?

I'm unclear what your second statement is implying. Can you clarify? I am aware that Arie was a contestant 5 years ago and is now the lead.