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Post by Nibbles22 Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:52 am

It's true, men are from mars, women are from venus.  Arie is a perfect example of a man struggling to do or say the right things, and fails miserably.  I'm not here to judge Arie, I really do think his intentions have been good.  He is in a situation of being damned if you do, damned if you don't.   In life, things seem to turn out how they are suppose to turn out, not necessarily how we want them to turn out.   That applies to everyone, everywhere.


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Post by Lucas15 Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:52 am

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And I thought it was interesting that both said the other was very much like themselves.  

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/bachelor-contestant-arie-soul-mate-221500956.html

Thanks for sharing.  Very intriguing as the astrologer seems to have nailed the description of all 4 women.  It also gives insight into the ways Arie was attracted to each of them and how he could have seen each of them with him.

I used to think that astrology was sort of hooey, but over the years I've looked at how it relates to me and my own relationships and how some totally bizarre "karmic occurrences" have impacted my own life. I'm a lot more intrigued now than I used to be.

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Post by stuckinsc Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:54 am

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And I thought it was interesting that both said the other was very much like themselves.  

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/bachelor-contestant-arie-soul-mate-221500956.html

Thanks for sharing.  Very intriguing as the astrologer seems to have nailed the description of all 4 women.  It also gives insight into the ways Arie was attracted to each of them and how he could have seen each of them with him.

Very interesting article. I have always been attracted to both Aries, so perhaps that is why I like Becca so much. Scorpios are a mixed bag for me, my husband is one, as are his father and brother. My dad was a Scorpio. In my experiences Scorpios can be very stubborn in their opinions. I am curious if Arie will do well with that?

Either way, I do think Lauren was his first choice. I am over speculating why it ended as it did. Not many theories of why Arie would pick anyone besides Lauren at this point make him look good to me. JMO.
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Post by Mommyof2 Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:25 am

Ash2214 wrote:
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Mommyof2 wrote:Yesh, something is up here.  Arie liked each of the F4 girls' posts on IG except for Becca's.  Odd.  Very odd.  

https://www.instagram.com/p/BfZ6b0chEkq/
He probably doesn’t want to like his “f2” photos out of respect of his “f1” ... oh wait cantstopl

JMS(narky)O

According to my timeline, he did like Becca’s IG post of them. He liked all four pictures that his F4 posted.

Yes, now he has liked Becca's post too. Maybe it was just an oversight. Who knows. Or maybe he reads here! laugh out loud hi
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Post by Lucas15 Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:39 am

As I watched the first two (as aired) HTDs (Kendall and Tia) I felt like I could have been watching any of the recent HTDs with any of the recent leads saying the same used and reused lines that make it seem to viewers like the lead is seriously considering that person when in reality they are going to dump them - soon - and have already shut down with them.

I was a little surprised that he took Kendal aside to interrogate her over her readiness for a proposal and a serious relationship but think that was production wanting to make Kendall seem like a more likely choice than she was, and give them footage to make Arie seem like he really wants a wife and is serious about everyone at this point. I'm not saying that Arie is looking nor that he isn't looking - I'm not in his head - just that I think this was the producers - not Arie - that wanted this scene. I think this was just a way to make Kendall a more plausible F3 than Tia - for whatever reason they might have wanted that.

As I might have guessed, in spite of the ominous sounding episode preview and threatening tone from her Dad, Lauren's HTD was little like that in reality. Arie was so worried that it would not go well that this sort of overshadowed all their time together before meeting her family. I felt she was more conversational during the daytime portion of the date than I've seen her previously (she had more that just a "Wow" to say). The meeting with her family looked a lot like some of her earlier time with Arie - awkward silence. I think she comes by that honestly because her family is much like she is. The kiss on the lips in full view of her family was a sort of a bold move but it looked to me natural and mutual and sort of a message of reassurance to her that he cared and that she was not the reason he had to step away. When Arie left the table I think he was genuinely and deeply impacted. The date that he feared would not go well was in fact, not going well, and he didn't know how to turn it around. Lauren "gets to Arie" and it was his angst in that scene as well as his verklempt moment in the last episode just shows how much he cares about that relationship and wants it go so well. This is now two moments in as many episodes where we've seen Arie overcome by emotions (verklempt) and he feels he has to step away - and both have been with / over Lauren;  he has not done this with anyone else.

Arie's meeting with her father went a whole lot better than previews suggested. I noted that Arie started the conversation with a "Thanks for your service" which I thought was a nice touch of respect - and an icebreaker. I felt they bonded over the conversation about flying and her Dad was impressed that Arie had been to Iraq to visit our military stationed there. Though he admittedly had never dated anyone from a military family before, he did just fine and for the most part, IMO he won Lauren's father over. I felt Lauren's conversation with her mother won her mother over; without really comparing notes and having a plan in mind I think they sort of naturally combined forces towards a common goal.

I felt his date with Becca showed more of a connection between them than their previous encounters. I still felt they were only partially connected though - more like a "second best" when compared with the other HTDs (one better, two worse). I noted (as I've read others have too) that Arie also kissed Becca on the lips in front of her family but don't necessarily believe that this nullified the kiss with Lauren. If our filming schedule is right, Becca's HTD was filmed after Lauren's (not before) so he had already done that for Lauren and may well have been told he needed to do the same thing with Becca. Kendall's date was also filmed after Lauren's and I don't recall him kissing Kendall in front of her family. IMO the show knew at this point in time that the final two would be Lauren and Becca so they only cared about those two and making those two seem as equal as they could be made to seem.

I had hoped that HTDs would provide some shred of reasons why Arie chose Becca over Lauren and the possibilities abound. Failure to win the families over have derailed other relationships and IMO a front runner not being ready to accept a proposal at the end being another. But the one most reticent about a proposal at the end was Kendall (not one of the final 2) so I'm as much without an obvious answer now as I was before this episode.

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Post by stuckinsc Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:53 am

@Lucas15 Unfortunately, no obvious reason seems to exist yet. I have a feeling next week won’t give any clues either unless Becca’s ex shows up at F3 week instead of F2 week.

IMO, the edit of him really falling for Lauren doesn’t help this storyline either. It just gets more confusing how he doesn’t just pick Lauren. IMO.
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Post by Kashathediva Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:59 am

@sanlee088 Thanks for clarifying. I was totally confused why they would have FD and all the stuff for the FRC episode lumped together.



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Post by Lucas15 Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:13 pm

stuckinsc wrote:@Lucas15 Unfortunately, no obvious reason seems to exist yet. I have a feeling next week won’t give any clues either unless Becca’s ex shows up at F3 week instead of F2 week.

IMO, the edit of him really falling for Lauren doesn’t help this storyline either. It just gets more confusing how he doesn’t just pick Lauren. IMO.

I think you're right. The more that "momentum" builds in one direction (ie picking Lauren) the more I think there has to have been an "outside" influence that shakes things up. From what we know, the upcoming outside influence is Becca's ex showing up.

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Post by suzq Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:15 pm

I think the article from the astrologer is quite interesting.  It explains why Arie would be attracted to these four women and could factor into his decision-making process.  However, it doesn't explain why he picked Becca in the first place and then did the "switcheroo".

I find it interesting -- it seems as if there are some people that want to give Arie a "pass" for his behavior and excuse the way he went about things.  I am all for people's happiness and my hope is that everyone will eventually be better off for what has happened.

However, I find it interesting that there is so much justification of Arie -- how he went about things and not in a good way.  I can only imagine the "backlash" that would occur if a Bachelorette did the "switcheroo" rather than a Bachelor.  I think that might get very ugly for the female lead.

Yes, everyone has the right to change their mind and ultimately, Arie made the right decision for him. I can see why Becca might feel "blindsided" and understandably upset, though. This is not a expected outcome of the Bachelor process.  It has only happened once before and I really think the Jason/Molly/Melissa was very different.  Melissa was back with her ex-boyfriend, Tye, in no time at all.  She and Jason had a very mutual breakup. All JMO.

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Post by timfan Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:32 pm

I think arie is just selfish he probably was going to pick Lauren but then becca ex shows up and that is a challenge for arie to get becca to choose him then once he got her he became bored so decided to charm his way back to Lauren and I think she is kind of crazy for taking him back I will be very surprised if they last but in the end becca is better off jmo
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Post by pbmax Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:46 pm

Maddy wrote:
2ndcampbell wrote:
Tiggerlgh wrote:
I hate to say it Becca signed up for this.  She went on the show knowing what could happen.  Yes rare but it’s not a first.  She also had a 1:4 shot at this point.  I like her but I have to remember she signed up for this crazy show.
What she didn't sign up for was getting engaged and then getting dumped in a couple of months to be replaced by F2. IMO not getting a rose, what she signed up for, and the "switcheroo" are two different things.
As @Tiggerlgh said, something like that already happened before, so you need to consider everything going into this show. There are no guarantees is life for anything. You can get married one day and then be dumped in a short while after that, that also happens without a show with multiple dating partners. Everybody knows that after this show there are few people with broken hearts. A don't think anybody did anything on purpose. If Arie could do it differently he would. I think he is as unhappy as anybody else about that.
thumbsup She definitely signed up for it, when you go on a dating show competing with 29 other women. So she went on the show with the mindset that she would be chosen and live happily ever after. Did she not know anything about this show, that there been ones before her that walked away broken-hearted, disappointed and shocked. When you sign the contract, you sign up for the bad as well as the good.



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Post by Mommyof2 Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:15 pm

Lucas15 wrote:As I watched the first two (as aired) HTDs (Kendall and Tia) I felt like I could have been watching any of the recent HTDs with any of the recent leads saying the same used and reused lines that make it seem to viewers like the lead is seriously considering that person when in reality they are going to dump them - soon - and have already shut down with them.

I was a little surprised that he took Kendal aside to interrogate her over her readiness for a proposal and a serious relationship but think that was production wanting to make Kendall seem like a more likely choice than she was, and give them footage to make Arie seem like he really wants a wife and is serious about everyone at this point. I'm not saying that Arie is looking nor that he isn't looking - I'm not in his head - just that I think this was the producers - not Arie - that wanted this scene. I think this was just a way to make Kendall a more plausible F3 than Tia - for whatever reason they might have wanted that.

As I might have guessed, in spite of the ominous sounding episode preview and threatening tone from her Dad, Lauren's HTD was little like that in reality. Arie was so worried that it would not go well that this sort of overshadowed all their time together before meeting her family. I felt she was more conversational during the daytime portion of the date than I've seen her previously (she had more that just a "Wow" to say). The meeting with her family looked a lot like some of her earlier time with Arie - awkward silence. I think she comes by that honestly because her family is much like she is. The kiss on the lips in full view of her family was a sort of a bold move but it looked to me natural and mutual and sort of a message of reassurance to her that he cared and that she was not the reason he had to step away. When Arie left the table I think he was genuinely and deeply impacted. The date that he feared would not go well was in fact, not going well, and he didn't know how to turn it around. Lauren "gets to Arie" and it was his angst in that scene as well as his verklempt moment in the last episode just shows how much he cares about that relationship and wants it go so well. This is now two moments in as many episodes where we've seen Arie overcome by emotions (verklempt) and he feels he has to step away - and both have been with / over Lauren;  he has not done this with anyone else.

Arie's meeting with her father went a whole lot better than previews suggested. I noted that Arie started the conversation with a "Thanks for your service" which I thought was a nice touch of respect - and an icebreaker. I felt they bonded over the conversation about flying and her Dad was impressed that Arie had been to Iraq to visit our military stationed there. Though he admittedly had never dated anyone from a military family before, he did just fine and for the most part, IMO he won Lauren's father over. I felt Lauren's conversation with her mother won her mother over; without really comparing notes and having a plan in mind I think they sort of naturally combined forces towards a common goal.

I felt his date with Becca showed more of a connection between them than their previous encounters. I still felt they were only partially connected though - more like a "second best" when compared with the other HTDs (one better, two worse). I noted (as I've read others have too) that Arie also kissed Becca on the lips in front of her family but don't necessarily believe that this nullified the kiss with Lauren. If our filming schedule is right, Becca's HTD was filmed after Lauren's (not before) so he had already done that for Lauren and may well have been told he needed to do the same thing with Becca. Kendall's date was also filmed after Lauren's and I don't recall him kissing Kendall in front of her family. IMO the show knew at this point in time that the final two would be Lauren and Becca so they only cared about those two and making those two seem as equal as they could be made to seem.

I had hoped that HTDs would provide some shred of reasons why Arie chose Becca over Lauren and the possibilities abound. Failure to win the families over have derailed other relationships and IMO a front runner not being ready to accept a proposal at the end being another. But the one most reticent about a proposal at the end was Kendall (not one of the final 2) so I'm as much without an obvious answer now as I was before this episode.

I agree Good Post Lauren's Dad turned out to be a little softer that I had thought. I think Arie's story about traveling overseas to visit the troops really impressed him. It was the Mom who was more skeptical and a little more tough, as she should be. He is just different with Lauren than the rest of the girls. More touchy feely, seems very much in the moment with her and very attentive. ATFR is going to be a good one.
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