Nick Viall - Bachelor 21 - Discussion

chrissy1295 wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I think this is the "Are you ready" pic [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is referring to. I personally don't think he was sending any sort of message. This was the pic we guessed was taken by Vanessa since she posted a pic in front of the same wall (my avi   )

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The pasta photo is the the one on Vanessa's IG where she has a large napkin stuffed in her top.  
You can't really see her ring finger in it but it kinda does look like she's not wearing any rings

Thanks [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] ! Logic says the 2 pics were taken on the same day being the same wall etc. I agree I don't think he meant any message by it. He wears that tee all the time.

The pasta pic was taken the same day as all her stories (judging by her clothes and sitting next to Lori) in her stories the ring was flashing very noticably. I think the ring is just cut out of the pic, you can't see her finger that it would be on

chrissy1295 wrote:

Mochaginj wrote:
IMO his likes on quotes are saying more than acceptance. "How can I not be addicted to you, when you make sense of all that hurts, and break me down like no one has ever done before" :broken heart:
And quotes about waiting, and space, and love coming back.. Sounds like someone who has hope IMO.

Also the hat was first seen on his trip back from Montreal after the fundraiser. The one he wore in Mexico was different if I'm correct.

I agree! Also noticed that he did not like any of the quotes on the same IG page about letting go, moving on or loving again after heartbreak

Absolutely agree! there is a marked pattern in what he is liking IMO

Bluejay271 wrote:

Mochaginj wrote:

Bluejay271 wrote:

Yeah, I guess I just find her behaviour confusing, that's all. I went to Vanessa's page to watch the part where she brought up the break-up and I couldn't make sense of it at all. It seemed like she was trying to be funny but then realized that she had unintentionally thrown shade at Nick and then tried to recover by saying that Nick was a "good guy"...but she was laughing the entire time so I also couldn't help but wonder if she was low-key throwing shade at Nick but was embarrassed because she could tell that she got caught out and was trying to be all cavalier about everything in order to make the situation less awkward than it already was (even though she brought that on herself) . But then I also noticed on Vanessa's page that a lot of people are of the opinion that she is trying too hard to seem happy to the point where she is masking her pain through humour...which I guess could also be possible but I have no idea what to believe. Oh well, it really is all just speculation at the end of the day...only Vanessa knows how she is really feeling.

IMO I don't think she unintentionally threw shade and then tried to cover it up. Zuri was the one to mention Nicks name in the first place, making a joke that "was she Vanessa from Nicks season" because of what the person asked. They did introduce her as Vanessa from the Bachekor right at the start. I felt like she was trying to make light of something that could have been awkward. I think her reply was genuine

Where is the pasta pic with no rings?

Yeah, I think you're right...I guess I was just thrown off by the whole situation, that's all. I mean, even the phrasing that she used kind of rubbed me the wrong way; instead of saying "because we broke up", she said "because I'm no longer with him"...which does seem a little more combative and smug than the alternative, imo. And I'm sure that I'm blowing this way out of proportion and I'm sure that she didn't mean anything malicious by the exchange--but that doesn't change the fact that I wish that she hadn't said it. But again, I have to remind myself that she is still probably emotional and is still going through a break-up so because of that I do still feel inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt...but I'm done pretending to understand how she's actually feeling because I honestly don't know anymore if she truly has moved on or not.

IMO she had to say something when Zuri bought it up. She made what could have been an awkward situation into something light hearted. I really think she had no malicious intentions at all. All JMO
But as you say I do agree she is good at covering up. There is no way of knowing how she is feeling if we are going to judge from seeing her on screen or on SM. Personally I think she's trying really hard to move on and be happy. But I imagine she is still hurting a lot. It doesn't do well to ignore the situation though, which she didn't as we heard in her freestyle segment.
IMO I also think she has dealt with the initial heartbreak whereas it seems Nick is dealing with that now. Just different ways of coping and healing from the situation, neither one is right or wrong.

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I recently listened to Jasmine L (only BetteCA) on a podcast about the new BachCA season.  She was asked about her breakup with former fiancé Kevin - also 5 months after going public. She shared very specific positive qualities about Kevin then simply said that little things in the relationship let them know that they would not make good life partners. IMO that is the case with a lot of breakups and was the point I was trying to make in my overly long post (retrospectively I think verbal diarrhea struck ).
She has also said that post-breakup she decided to go the "self care" route which IMO is something Nick seems to be doing as well. I mention Jasmine because she reminds me of Nick personality-wise.

As to Vanessa, I think she has a lot of great qualities but prefer to focus on Nick in the Nick thread. Both have loving families and supportive friends so at a future point I imagine they will each find a future that brings them happiness.

chrissy1295 wrote:

Mochaginj wrote:
IMO his likes on quotes are saying more than acceptance. "How can I not be addicted to you, when you make sense of all that hurts, and break me down like no one has ever done before" :broken heart:
And quotes about waiting, and space, and love coming back.. Sounds like someone who has hope IMO.

Also the hat was first seen on his trip back from Montreal after the fundraiser. The one he wore in Mexico was different if I'm correct.

I agree! Also noticed that he did not like any of the quotes on the same IG page about letting go, moving on or loving again after heartbreak

I was all for Nick pining for Vanessa when I thought that she might still have feelings for him too...but now that I'm unsure I just feel conflicted about the whole thing. In my mind, there are two scenarios that could be taking place: A) Nick still has feelings for Vanessa and she might still have feelings for him too but Nick is angsty because he's conflicted for a variety of reasons and is still trying to figure out his next move or B) Nick still has feelings for Vanessa but Vanessa is over Nick and so Nick is stuck in this unrequited love limbo that is depressing to even think about. I was perfectly content in thinking that option A was closer to reality but now I'm worried that it might actually be option B. But then again, Vanessa is so damn hard to read...in fact, watching that Freestyle video and spending some time on her thread, I realize that she doesn't really come across that differently now than when she was with Nick. It's almost impressive how consistent she is in terms of how she wants to portray herself on social media/ camera (ie. make herself seem fairly happy-go lucky all of the time). Clearly it's not reality because if that were the case then she and Nick would still be together; I mean, she seemed pretty happy all through the course of their relationship if her social media were to be believed and yet they are no longer together. I just really hope that it's not option B...the thought of that makes me sick to my stomach.

* If Nick was "in love" with Vanessa, how come he looked really unhappy (imo) during the last couple months of their relationship, but looked much happier post breakup and in New York? Although now he seems sad and in deep thought.  Is it a case of "You don't know what you've got til it's gone?", "The grass is not always greener on the other side?", "Absence makes the heart grow fonder?", He now wants what he can't have...so the thrill of the chase is on?"

* If Vanessa was "in love" with Nick, why does she appear to be so happy now? (Although she does seem a little over the top "happy" imo). A few of her Instagram posts seem to take aim at Nick as if saying, "Look what you've lost/missing out on". The way she laughed about their relationship though on the freestyle show makes me think that she does not care for Nick. It wasn't a good look for her and made me question her sincerity. jmo

* The question I would like to know the answer to is...Was this really a mutual breakup, and if not, which one initiated the break?

* IMO this relationship seemed off from the beginning and I hope that they both find someone else to date or to be in a relationship with soon. And I hope that Nick is not pining for her. I think there is someone out there that would suit him much better than Vanessa. Someone strong and confident with a fairly outgoing/pleasant personality, but not extremely outgoing and over the top. Someone that can have fun but can also be "quiet" with him. I wish he would give someone a try that is a little more mellow and maybe even a little nerdy. Someone that really "gets him". Nick's friends have described him as romantic, so someone with a true romantic heart would be nice.

*I do think that Vanessa is most likely a very nice person and has great qualities, but just not for Nick. If they were right for each other and truly in love, it would have worked out or they would have found a way to make it work because the thought of not being together would not have been acceptable. jmo

I only know these people from a TV show, so these are just random thoughts which really mean nothing.    All JMO.

Stacia620 wrote:* If Nick was "in love" with Vanessa, how come he looked really unhappy (imo) during the last couple months of their relationship, but looked much happier post breakup and in New York? Although now he seems sad and in deep thought.  Is it a case of "You don't know what you've got til it's gone?", "The grass is not always greener on the other side?", "Absence makes the heart grow fonder?", He now wants what he can't have...so the thrill of the chase is on?"

* If Vanessa was "in love" with Nick, why does she appear to be so happy now? (Although she does seem a little over the top "happy" imo). A few of her Instagram posts seem to take aim at Nick as if saying, "Look what you've lost/missing out on". The way she laughed about their relationship though on the freestyle show makes me think that she does not care for Nick. It wasn't a good look for her and made me question her sincerity. jmo

* The question I would like to know the answer to is...Was this really a mutual breakup, and if not, which one initiated the break?

* IMO this relationship seemed off from the beginning and I hope that they both find someone else to date or to be in a relationship with soon. And I hope that Nick is not pining for her. I think there is someone out there that would suit him much better than Vanessa. Someone strong and confident with a fairly outgoing/pleasant personality, but not extremely outgoing and over the top. Someone that can have fun but can also be "quiet" with him. I wish he would give someone a try that is a little more mellow and maybe even a little nerdy. Someone that really "gets him". Nick's friends have described him as romantic, so someone with a true romantic heart would be nice.

*I do think that Vanessa is most likely a very nice person and has great qualities, but just not for Nick. If they were right for each other and truly in love, it would have worked out or they would have found a way to make it work because the thought of not being together would not have been acceptable. jmo

I only know these people from a TV show, so these are just random thoughts which really mean nothing.    All JMO.

"if they were right for each other and truly in love, it would have worked..." IMO not necessarily. These are 2 strong minded people who IMO fell in love, but had to navigate the relationship through a barrage of negativity and scrutiny from all angles. As well as try to live together after a 'whirlwind' romance/male sifting through 29 other woman... Not a great start to any relationship, but one with 2 strong minded stubborn people makes it more difficult IMO. Yes, they put themselves into the situation but that doesn't mean they are not like any normal couple who try to make things work.
What I do believe is that IF their love is true and real, they will find their way back to each other. Vanessa joking around on freestyle is IMO something she had to do because someone else brought the subject up. Personally I think she's putting on a front on camera because there's something different about her, more over the top? And for someone who was heartbroken a month ago to be that happy is not reality. So I think with the help of friends she is trying hard to enjoy herself and come across happy. This is all JMO but from my impression of her throughout the 'journey' she is not someone who would fake being in love, or say she was shattered and broken if she wasn't. Her profression and the obvious love her students have for her tells me she has a great qualities and is genuine. But can put on a front for cameras as its not the best look to be upset and down. And that she genuinely wants people to think she is happy (and I have no doubt that in those few captured moments she is happy, as one can still (try) to enjoy life while nursing a broken heart)

As for Nick. I'm feeling for him. IMO he is realising what he had, what could have been etc. I get the impression he is missing her, and that he still loves her. (I think Vanessa still loves him but is trying hard to move on) I think Nick is not up to wanting to move on just yet. I feel like he has hope, or just wants her back. I really hope he lets her know his feelings if that is the case and he knows her decision either way, otherwise it will likely be hard to find closure and be able to move on. All JMO but I just feel this is not totally the end. She had a lovely exchange with his mom on her latest post which tells me she has not cut all ties and she still cares for him and his family.

Bluejay271 wrote:

chrissy1295 wrote:

Mochaginj wrote:
IMO his likes on quotes are saying more than acceptance. "How can I not be addicted to you, when you make sense of all that hurts, and break me down like no one has ever done before" :broken heart:
And quotes about waiting, and space, and love coming back.. Sounds like someone who has hope IMO.

Also the hat was first seen on his trip back from Montreal after the fundraiser. The one he wore in Mexico was different if I'm correct.

I agree! Also noticed that he did not like any of the quotes on the same IG page about letting go, moving on or loving again after heartbreak

I was all for Nick pining for Vanessa when I thought that she might still have feelings for him too...but now that I'm unsure I just feel conflicted about the whole thing. In my mind, there are two scenarios that could be taking place: A) Nick still has feelings for Vanessa and she might still have feelings for him too but Nick is angsty because he's conflicted for a variety of reasons and is still trying to figure out his next move or B) Nick still has feelings for Vanessa but Vanessa is over Nick and so Nick is stuck in this unrequited love limbo that is depressing to even think about. I was perfectly content in thinking that option A was closer to reality but now I'm worried that it might actually be option B. But then again, Vanessa is so damn hard to read...in fact, watching that Freestyle video and spending some time on her thread, I realize that she doesn't really come across that differently now than when she was with Nick. It's almost impressive how consistent she is in terms of how she wants to portray herself on social media/ camera (ie. make herself seem fairly happy-go lucky all of the time). Clearly it's not reality because if that were the case then she and Nick would still be together; I mean,  she seemed pretty happy all through the course of their relationship if her social media were to be believed and yet they are no longer together. I just really hope that it's not option B...the thought of that makes me sick to my stomach.

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My take on it is that Nick is pining for Vanessa, that he's feeling the emotions now, that she had right at he start - shattered, broken etc. I think he wants her back and I think she still has feelings for him too but I think she will be VERY cautious about taking him back from fear of getting hurt again. She uprooted her life from a city and family that she is obviously very close too, to immerse herself in a relationship that ultimately broke her heart. I am NOT placing the blame on Nick by any means. I am just pointing it out because I don't think she going to do that again unless she is certain it's not going to go down the same path it did before. There is probably a certain amount of fear hindering her from letting him get close to her again.
I hope he follows his heart and tries to get her back if that is what his heart wants. And I hope she is strong enough to allow him in again.

I'm feeling for Nick. His behaviour on social media sites is curious to me. I believe he's been miserable for a while now, with very little of that attributed to Vanessa. What a bubble this whole romance began in. Then DWTS right after. I believe they were very happy together right up to the beginning of July. Then something changed. With the end of The Bachelor and DWTS and maybe the beginning of the end of The Polished Gent reality set in and this coupled with the mostly negative public opinion of their relationship took its toll on him. Nick not being in a serious relationship for a while and now living with someone all the while trying to figure out his next move could have caused him to step back a bit. I'm sure Vanessa was putting pressure on him too as the relationship had stalled and she couldn't break through the wall he had erected. I'm sure they discussed this at length but couldn't find common ground so they (most likely her) decided to end the relationship. Initially I'm sure Nick felt relieved that that pressure was gone. She went home and grieved the end of the relationship immediately. For him it's taken time to set in and now he's thinking about everything and what went wrong. I believe when he likes a quote or tweet it's what he's feeling in the moment. Most are very self reflective "break up with you comfort zone" but some suggest that Vanessa is very much in his thoughts.. Both his and hers (over the top) social media behaviour suggests to me that they still are grieving the end of the relationship. Its feels like this story hasn't finished being written yet.

All of this is JMO only. For both I wish nothing but the best that life has to offer.

I think their relationship is definitely over. Perhaps if they lived in the same city, I could see them getting back together down the line. But, as it stands, IMO there are too many obstacles with the distance and public attention for a rekindling to occur slowly and under the radar, which I think would be necessary for there to be any chance of it happening.

Re Nick, it definitely seems like he's going through a lot of emotions right now, but I don't think that necessarily equates to him pining for or wanting Vanessa back. I know some don't, but I do see Nick as someone that wants to be in a relationship. As such, I think it could just as easily be dealing with the loss of it all and the thought of starting over, recognizing what he's gotten wrong, questioning if he will ever find what he's looking for, etc. And although I think he is a romantic, I think he is also very much a realist and I would assume that side of him recognizes all the reasons the relationship didn't work and that nothing has changed there. So while I'm sure he misses Vanessa and particular aspects of their relationship, I don't see him as currently wanting to get back in it. JMO.

It's been less than a month since the official breakup announcement. Too soon IMO to expect emotions to have settled.

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Nick insight following his first public breakup.

It seems like Nick is in Dallas. I wonder what brings him there?

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