Nick Viall & Vanessa Grimaldi - Bachelor 21 - Discussion

emusha wrote:I do agree that he might be exhausted....He seems cranky like he needs to get away from everyone including Vanessa and like he's very drained and annoyed ...
In my honest opinion...I really don't think that gives him any excuse for his interaction with vanessa in that interview.

blueblues wrote:IIRC the tabloid crap peaked within a month for JoJo and Jordan. After that it got better and better, and after 3-4 month the positive articles were outweighing the negative. Today I don’t think it is a problem at all for them.

IMO you can only claim that a relationship is about to fail for so long. If it doesn’t happen you have to find a new story to tell.
Nick understands this better than anyone I would guess.

Skates wrote:
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Nick is not happy with how the social media is perceiving their relationships...anybody in his position would have reacted the same way...why judge when the people don't even know every single details of their lives...Nick is upset with how TPTB handles them during those questioning hours at ATFR...he is annoyed at how TPTB has edited the TB show...he hates the insinuation that something has happened during Raven's FS, he basically hates everything about TB--the manipulation, the way they throw him and Vanessa under the bus, making Vanessa an overzealous girlfriend, Raven lovable, thus leaving them with the consequence of having to deal with the SM wrath...Nick would rather he not be asked about TB moving forward as much as possible...

I actually find Nick and Vanessa happier after the show...both of them have been smiling more...I love the way Nick and Vanessa interact with each other...they act like long time best friends and lovers...not all soul mate relationships end with forever...it all depends on how hard they'll try to make it work...but, I think Nick and Vanessa know what they have...thus, they also know that it is something worth putting 100% effort and sacrificing for...

- JMO -

ReneeM wrote:IMO I think non fans tend to see these couples more clearly. I don't mean during the show, but the couple's actions afterwards IRL. I say this from the perspective of someone who was a diehard fan of a couple that ended up being a train wreck. Has there been anything glaring from Nick/Vanessa? No. But there usually isn't IMO. It's usually after the breakup happens that we can go back and take note of these things and realize there were signs. Some things that fans will chalk up to 'they're just being them' or see as endearing while others see it as cracks in the veneer, more often than not, the non fans are right. All JMO.

Skates wrote:

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fairytaleprincess wrote:

This is how I kind of view them.  JMO, but I feel like just because their relationship played out in the public eye doesn't mean they need to  be all over each other 24/7. I actually like that they're being so lowkey besides DWTS. Not saying everyone isn't entitled to their own opinion but I  think people are overanalyzing a 3 minute video. The interviewer was asking silly questions. I don't see anything wrong with how they answered/acted in the video. If it was serious questions yes, but it was meant to be lighthearted.

Also, I'm not seeing any other warning signs that they're doomed. He's gone out of his way to include her in his DWTS experience. They traveled to his hometown where they barely posted anything on SM. He wears a bracelet with her name on it. I think little things like that matter more in the long run then how they act in a 3 minute interview,etc.  I don't know what else Nick can do to prove he cares about this relationship. I do agree that the true test will come post DWTS though.

I don't think anyone has suggested they should be all over each other 24/7. The 3 minute video was REAL. The bachelor is fake. Its highly edited and creates the story that's the best for tv. Why do you think this show is so successful? Not because of the track record of successful relationships. . I get that some are fans of the couple and will deny they are going to break up until it actually happens, but to the ones who see it - its clear as day. IMO
As far as 'warning signs'......i don't think there are any that are that dramatic. But after they do break up they will become crystal clear.
As far as reasons, its just things like have been mentioned in this thread and in that interview and others. And things that have been mentioned on various other sites when talking about them as a couple. He can wear a big sign that says 'I LOVE VANESSA' and they can still break up. There are no guarantees. The things they are doing now they are obligated to do. Make it look good, be in love, especially with Nick. Can you imagine the backlash and bad press he will get if they breakup too soon? All of his opportunities will fly right out the window and Vanessa will be forgotten completely. Bachelor relationships aren't normal. Its not like discussing people that met at a party or through a friend, etc. They all meet on a show and at the end they propose to basically a total stranger. Him mentioning her during dancing with the stars is just polite. Chris did the same thing with Whitney. Means nothing. IMO

Anyone can look at a couple and tell they aren't completely happy. There were some that said Andi and Josh would get married, there are some that were holding out hope for Chris/Whitney and Aaron/Helene.....the list goes on and on and onnnnnnnn. I want Nick to find love. But i just don't think she is the one. It's written all over his face. He doesn't look happy. He did on the show - he doesn't now. IMO He didn't at the final rose, he didn't on that interview, he just looks.....bored. And like he made a huge mistake. Maybe he wasn't meant to be with anyone on the show? Some find love afterwards with people totally unrelated to it all. I think he may be one of them.
All IMO of course.  

I don't think Vanessa would really care, if she is an unknown, if they do break up right after ATFR...if it's not working, then it will never work...as Nick has said, he is not going to choose Vanessa even if she is the last woman standing...thus, I don't really think Nick cares whether his opportunities would go right through the window...he simply is just not going to fake it, but be honest about everything...Nick could always go back to his work in Chicago or he could also go back single to BIP, why would he be any different from Chris S...it will just be his umpth time to search for his life partner..no big deal...

- IMO - Regardless of how much edit TPTB has done to TB21...the interactions Nick and Vanessa have for each other are obvious...I have seen it first hand, thus it has kicked in my interests, I don't even know Nick or Vanessa before the show...I do believe that what they have are real soul mates relationships which are really rare...we may look at them as not being the one...but, I do believe Nick and Vanessa feel differently...I think they do feel like they are the one...

I can see from the way Nick reacts from his interview, he is tired of dealing with TB...- IMO - Nick has personally confirmed that TB questions are the least he wants to talk about... - IMO - Nick is not happy with how the social media is perceiving their relationships...anybody in his position would have reacted the same way...why judge when the people don't even know every single details of their lives..but, I don't think he really cares what people think...I think, Nick is probably upset with how TPTB handles them during those questioning hours at ATFR...- IMO - he is annoyed at how TPTB has edited the TB show...- IMO - I think, he hates the insinuation that something has happened during Raven's FS, he basically hates everything about TB--the manipulation, the way they throw him and Vanessa under the bus, making Vanessa an overzealous girlfriend, Raven lovable, thus leaving them with the consequence of having to deal with the SM wrath...- IMO - Nick would rather he not be asked about TB moving forward as much as possible...regardless I think Nick is thankful for being chosen as the lead for TB mainly without this show, he won't be able to meet Vanessa...thus, - IMO - the only thing he can do is just not talk about it...and, move on to the next chapter of his life...- IMO - I remember somebody discussing the reason Nick hasn't gone back for interview with 'Build' after Aftr is because he doesn't want Vanessa to re-live their experience on TB...- IMO -

I actually find Nick and Vanessa happier after the show...both of them have been smiling more...I love the way Nick and Vanessa interact with each other...they act like long time best friends and lovers...not all soul mate relationships end with forever...it all depends on how hard they'll try to make it work...but, I think Nick and Vanessa know what they have...thus, they also know that it is something worth putting 100% effort and sacrificing for...

- JMO -

GuardianAngel wrote:

Skates wrote:
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- IMO - Nick is not happy with how the social media is perceiving their relationships...anybody in his position would have reacted the same way...why judge when the people don't even know every single details of their lives...Nick is upset with how TPTB handles them during those questioning hours at ATFR...he is annoyed at how TPTB has edited the TB show...he hates the insinuation that something has happened during Raven's FS, he basically hates everything about TB--the manipulation, the way they throw him and Vanessa under the bus, making Vanessa an overzealous girlfriend, Raven lovable, thus leaving them with the consequence of having to deal with the SM wrath...Nick would rather he not be asked about TB moving forward as much as possible.. - IMO -

I actually find Nick and Vanessa happier after the show...both of them have been smiling more...I love the way Nick and Vanessa interact with each other...they act like long time best friends and lovers...not all soul mate relationships end with forever...it all depends on how hard they'll try to make it work...but, I think Nick and Vanessa know what they have...thus, they also know that it is something worth putting 100% effort and sacrificing for...

- JMO -

Can you please clarify if this is your opinion or if this is what you've been told by sources? If it isn't fact, then please advise so I can edit your post. JMO at the end of a post isn't clear enough for us to determine what's fact and what's opinion.

justa_knowbody wrote:

Skates wrote:
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- IMO - Nick is not happy with how the social media is perceiving their relationships...anybody in his position would have reacted the same way...why judge when the people don't even know every single details of their lives...Nick is upset with how TPTB handles them during those questioning hours at ATFR...he is annoyed at how TPTB has edited the TB show...he hates the insinuation that something has happened during Raven's FS, he basically hates everything about TB--the manipulation, the way they throw him and Vanessa under the bus, making Vanessa an overzealous girlfriend, Raven lovable, thus leaving them with the consequence of having to deal with the SM wrath...Nick would rather he not be asked about TB moving forward as much as possible...- IMO -

I actually find Nick and Vanessa happier after the show...both of them have been smiling more...I love the way Nick and Vanessa interact with each other...they act like long time best friends and lovers...not all soul mate relationships end with forever...it all depends on how hard they'll try to make it work...but, I think Nick and Vanessa know what they have...thus, they also know that it is something worth putting 100% effort and sacrificing for...

- JMO -

@skates from the way you have worded your post I get the impression that you are friends w/ Nick or have a close association on some level. I can totally see how what I have bolded above could be true and completely understandable on a day to day level. IMO, it would s*ck. But also MO, if anyone should have known how things work on this show, what TPTB can do, and how it can negatively affect a person in real life, real time it is Nick. Why would he have expected things to be handled any differently this time around? IMO, he is not a special snowflake. IMO, he was "produced" into his role, skillfully by professionals. It can be an ugly business and I find it incomprehensible that he wouldn't have known that when he signed his contract to be TB.

Seasoned viewers of this show, many who post here, know that when it comes to TPTB and this game, you can never win, they always find a way to control the narrative. IMO, a lead can't just say filming is over, I am walking away now. They have certain contractual obligations to fulfill for some time. And, IMO, if you p*ss off those in power, they can turn you into Bojangles (he jumped so high). Or picture a guy in an old western dancing around trying to evade the bullets flying furiously under his feet. An uncomfortable place to be for sure. I am not a fan of Nick, as I have previously stated, but I do empathize with feeling powerless and manipulated. But IMO it seems hypocritical to willingly sell your persona, image, self determination, and sometimes even your dignity and then be miserable about it all when the inevitable happens.