Vanessa Grimaldi - Bachelor 21 - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #5

bleuberry wrote:

sosleepy wrote:No it did not. Kaitlyn and Nick never talked about logistics, because it was never relevant for Kaitlyn to do so with Nick the way it is for Nick with Vanessa. 

Speaking of Kaitlyn, I said it before, but it warrants mentioning again I think. With Kaitlyn and Jillian I NEVER remember this Canada/US divide even being talked about, much less mentioned as an obstacle. Now all the sudden with Nick and Vanessa, it's storylined to be some huge, insurmountable obstacle. I'm not sure why that is. It feels a little sexist to me, like this show often is. Like of course Kaitlyn and Jillian can and will uproot their lives for their American men, no big deal. But Nick, also in the lead role, just no way, he's staying put... and for some reason Vanessa the female just absolutely will not move the way K or J did.  Dumb.

Kaitlyn and Shawn NEVER talked about it on the show like N/V have, but they struck up a compromise. 6 months in Nashville, 6 months in Canada. It works cause they live off SM and are fancy free with their lifestyle. I see no reason why Nick and Vanessa couldn't strike a similar compromise, if not the NYC neutral city compromise which is actually what I suspect they will do.

I don't think K&S made it an issue because it wasn't one for them. Her own parents spend half the year in Arizona don't they? Idk I feel like it's a natural issue and ignoring it would be unrealistic. It's like most people on this show are hoping to break into the biz and stay in LA and it's kind of refreshing that Vanessa may not want to do that.

SeekAny wrote:Despite the edit and the obvious misdirection of Nick ending up alone again, I've witnessed what I believe to be the start of a great love story. Nick and Vanessa are the epitome of being real. They're authentic. They didn't get caught up in the bachelor cliches of talking about breaking down walls and opening up, they just did it. And then talked about things that matter, things that scare them, things they hope for and want from their life partner. I found it and them entirely refreshing last night. They're open and honest communicators and that will bode well for them.

I love that V continues to question him, right until the end. Don't pick me just because you like me slightly more. Don't ask me to marry you unless you know that you can't live without me. There's a week left and you don't know if you're going to propose? Well yes, that bothers me. That's a woman who knows her self worth, and despite this silly show is going to make sure Nick knows it too. Best part is, he does and I think he's got something great in store for us.

All this talk about great love and wanting it to be special. I just can't see nick breaking up with raven 1 hour before he proclaims his great love and asks Vanessa to marry him. I feel like he's going to mix it up somehow but regardless of how he does it, I think he's going to make Vanessa 100% sure she's the love of his life and find a way to make it unique and special.

Can't wait to watch! And then can't wait to see what they do after the show, both together and separately. I have a feeling Vanessa is going to do great things, with causes near and dear to her heart.

notarose wrote:IMO this epi was all about sex and I don't think Nick could have delivered a stronger message nor Vanessa a stronger response. Up to this point the edit has IMO intentionally attempted to avoid the standard "lust" characterization.  Probably because Nick is a minority in that sustained sexual passion is a must for him which doesn't fit with "the process" tradition.   THAT is one of his deal breakers. He's not the standard lead in that sense and IMO this was an experience Nick was anticipating with Vanessa.  The edit has shown their intellectual approach to building a relationship and ability to articulate needs, wants, concerns and in Nick's blog post of their first 1-1 he states an immediate emotional connection so the trifecta is complete if the physical connection matches up.

Up to this point he has exposed some of his appetite to her:
- kiss and physicality when ill (not unlike what would happen during a pregnancy)
- he likes to show dominate by gently covering her throat (0 G date, preview clip on yacht that never aired in the epi, his IG post of their last 1-1 with flame at night - long time Nick fans will have recognized that smirk   ).
- in an interview he said intense conversations can be almost as good as sex so running with that their pool party convo was likely foreplay for him   )
- scuba diving: they remove their masks and use each other's lung capacity to breath.  Takes great stamina and includes a risk factor
- in the sauna he pulls her on to his lap, squeezes her butt cheek then gently slaps

There will be some who judge, and have judged in the past, Nick's sexual innuendos and boldness (lots of comments about his blue swim trunk pic but let's just chalk that up to "foreshadowing").  What can be agreed upon is that Nick is consistent in owning his sexuality on his terms.

The date:
He asks V her thoughts on the key but that was short-lived.  He essentially grabs that key, they both laugh (inside joke?) then off they go.
So how did this night differ from the other 2
He initiates (not so different) however we see more of his hand movement, and includes bare shoulder kisses before the scene cut.
As some pointed out, DO NOT DISTURB.  Was that the faint sound of bedsprings heard shortly after? Maybe.
Morning - still in bed, equally nude upper bodies...lingering
*remember when Nick said earlier that he wanted a relationship where "they" came before their respective families and that he wanted a partner that would put him first just like he would her AND the importance of "compromise". WELL, Vanessa from a self-described traditional family just agreed to a semi-nude filmed scene.  Somewhat compromising, no?
They invited the cameras back in for that little kiss/cuddle sequence (natural light shone on pillow behind Nick), They had control, rare for this show, of how they would appear on film.  Equally partially nude, Nick's hair badly in need of Polished Gent product - Vanessa's hair sweated into limpness against her temple, both somewhat spent after a heavy workout but still goin'.

 this love story has everything I need.  It's almost better than my imagination.  It's a great "after dark" special that I appreciate isn't to everyone's taste but is my kind of delicious.
I love "intense" and choose labyrinths over straightaways whenever the choice presents. Their story has a "catch us if you can" quality that is playful and challenging. For me, all the non-V&N stuff are just over long commercial breaks. So annoying.

cmarci93 wrote:

locoforbach wrote:^^^ I saw the same thing     I am guessing this is in the morning and probably they put clothes on (if they were ever all off) before letting the camera crew in.  V looks like she doesn't have a top on but she could have a cami or tank, something that doesn't cover her shoulders.  I haven't analyzed any SCs yet.

This photo I SC looks like she isn't wearing a top

shaughnessyb wrote:Not sure if Vanessa was following Chase Rice before Nick went to his concert the other day, but she is now

shaughnessyb wrote:Are IG follows chronological or random? I've always done a brief glance through her follows to check for any changes, and I couldn't necessarily tell what the most recent one was. I'm not the savviest with that stuff though!

Cocoasneeze wrote:I just rewatched their scenes, and holy goodness, they have these discussions I don't remember hearing on this show often. Core values. What they are willing to compromise on. Are they too similar as personalities. None of their discussions were Bach fluff and show speak. They're out of the bubble, while in the bubble. Amazing!

One of the sm complaints about Vanessa has been 'What show did she think she signed up for?!' And IMO that's a positive when it's been meant as a negative. She's not going to settle for being no appreciated, even though she met Nick on this show. And that's great. She doesn't want to be a default choice, when nothing else is left, she wants to be the first and only choice. That's brilliant, IMO.