Vanessa Grimaldi - Bachelor 21 - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #5

V has been so quiet!!

Cila51290 wrote:V has been so quiet!!

She's packing and tying up loose ends

Customs are questioning her.

What's the nature of your visit?
What are you bringing over?
Why do you have 10 suitcases?

^^ Customs: We've been informed you may be meeting someone to pick up diamonds...

Vanessa: Maybe, you'll have to watch.

I have just looked at instragram of Lucianomercuri - I think Vs uncle and a very clear message to people who bully via sm. sorry don't know how to bring across. IMO V not coping/fed up with all the negative comments, rumours and the girls vocal options. If I'm feeling frustrated by the edit can't imagine how she feels with everyone questioning their relationship. Bring on the Final. So over the Bach edit. Love N & V together and hoping for a happy ever after the bachelor.

AllAboutLove wrote:Vanessa as a Special Ed teacher I think would view things a little differently and especially being excluded I think is something that she would, as a teacher, likely ensure that all her students feel included and cared for by each other and no one left out or made to "feel" left out. 

Vanessa's HTD showed me that's how she would be. So when trying to put myself in her POV, I can see how she would feel very hurt since to her, she likely is someone who spends her time trying to bring people together and "understand" each other's POV and in this case, her reportedly taking the initiative to approach Rachel it seems like that's what she was trying to do - "connect". 

It's why I've always said that Vanessa reminds me of Nick as Nick is also someone who tries to understand and connect and will initiate conversation to try gain an understanding (he did with Shawn on K's season as well). That to me is because Vanessa and Nick are people who value open communication and connecting through communication (it may be a Libra thing since they both are as well as both having large families). To them, I think they are the type of people who will always try to connect and find understanding with someone else rather than just shut them out since they see people/themselves as human and flawed and worthy of a chance and only when they are rebuffed and that initiation on their part is rejected is when they step back and let it be what it is and stop trying to connect (but more so because it is a dead end at that point). 

jmo

I used to think that if somebody is too sensitive, I would try not to hurt them… but, then there really is not much I can do to stop them from hurting…then I try to think again, if I try to put myself in their shoes…maybe I’ll be more sensitive to their sensitivity...People tend to ignore how sensitive a person can be…I remember hearing a person talks about being sensitive…she says you can never say the person won’t be hurt because you don’t feel the hurt…because what she’s feeling may not be the same as how you feel...but, not being able to feel what other people feel do not give you the right to say that she’s not hurting since you are not hurting...and, here she is telling you that she is hurting by what you are doing to her… and yet you just walk away not caring and ignoring whatever she says…this just shows Rachel’s lack of empathy to Vanessa…without even trying to understand and know Vanessa first hand, Rachel has already made pre-judgment on Vanessa that she is evil, and she is fake...

I don’t think Vanessa would have mentioned it to Nick, if it doesn’t bother her…being branded as an outcast from a group of people living in the same house is really tough to go through emotionally every single day, that could probably also be one of the reasons why Vanessa has been more sensitive than she normally is in that environment…

If Rachel has been brave enough to accept faults on her actions…and, has accepted Vanessa’s truce for settlement by bridging their communication gap …I am positive, Vanessa would have gone back to Nick correcting herself on the way Rachel has treated her…thus, giving Rachel 5 stars for acting like a mature adult…but, this has never happened because Rachel simply doesn’t care since she dislikes Vanessa immensely….

To be able to feel for others (compassion) is a great feeling, and it is really hard to do, it takes a lot of ego stripping, swallowing your pride, a lot of understanding, kindness, patience, passion, discipline and control to make it happen…

In Vanessa’s case, she always tries to understand Nick in every way possible, thus when she has concerns and questions, she would go straight to the point communicate with him tactfully to resolve the issues…I would think that Vanessa would have done the same thing to Rachel…when Vanessa approached Rachel about her action in rolling her eyes during the group chat, not giving her eye contact, Vanessa told her she felt ostracized…Vanessa had voiced her concerns to Rachel... but, Rachel simply turned her other cheek and showed Vanessa how much she had disliked her by walking away from the issues…Rachel’s answer was she didn’t have any problem with Vanessa, but she felt uncomfortable around her… but, then the eye rolling Rachel made in Episode 7 at Bimini occurred during the time Vanessa’s second 1-1 date had been announced…her action seemed to be saying otherwise...thus, coming in contrast against her words to Vanessa...Rachel had basically tried to defend herself, by stating that she had no problem with Vanessa, and she was uncomfortable around her… and, yet Rachel was the one who made the eye roll to Vanessa…this came off more like Rachel was the aggressor...

How do you classify a person as playing the victim when you don’t really know how sensitive she is…a person becomes an underdog when she keeps quiet, and doesn’t fight back…when she is being bullied/maltreated, thus winning empathy from the people around her...I have never taken being an underdog as something negative…I actually think it is a good thing since it shows the degree of compassion, understanding and patience the person has in dealing with others in certain situations…to me it is equivalent to the act of killing people with kindness, being the bigger person to extend your hand to reach out in resolving problems regardless of whose fault it is...

One thing RS has mentioned about Rachel in his blog…Rachel always knows how to say the right thing to people… -IMO- now, if I am right maybe that have been among the reasons all along why the girls like Rachel….because Rachel knows how to say the right things--saying nicer things that pleases them, words that the girls like and want to hear… these make me admire Vanessa more for being real...

-JMO-

I feel sad for Vanessa. TPTB are giving her the shaft with the edit and her petty bitter cast mates are lashing out at her. I imagine she is feeling rather gloomy.  I hope her uncle is making a list....  
JMO

Like Vanessa, I'm starting to have doubts about Nick's affection towards her. What if she's not F1? It's not in my head but I feel it in my gut. I hope I'm wrong and foiler be damned.

Skates wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:Vanessa as a Special Ed teacher I think would view things a little differently and especially being excluded I think is something that she would, as a teacher, likely ensure that all her students feel included and cared for by each other and no one left out or made to "feel" left out. 

Vanessa's HTD showed me that's how she would be. So when trying to put myself in her POV, I can see how she would feel very hurt since to her, she likely is someone who spends her time trying to bring people together and "understand" each other's POV and in this case, her reportedly taking the initiative to approach Rachel it seems like that's what she was trying to do - "connect". 

It's why I've always said that Vanessa reminds me of Nick as Nick is also someone who tries to understand and connect and will initiate conversation to try gain an understanding (he did with Shawn on K's season as well). That to me is because Vanessa and Nick are people who value open communication and connecting through communication (it may be a Libra thing since they both are as well as both having large families). To them, I think they are the type of people who will always try to connect and find understanding with someone else rather than just shut them out since they see people/themselves as human and flawed and worthy of a chance and only when they are rebuffed and that initiation on their part is rejected is when they step back and let it be what it is and stop trying to connect (but more so because it is a dead end at that point). 

jmo

I used to think that if somebody is too sensitive, I would try not to hurt them… but, there really is not much I can do to stop them from hurting…then I try to think again, if I try to put myself in there shoes…maybe I’ll be more sensitive to their sensitivity...People tend to ignore how sensitive a person can be…I remember hearing a person talks about being sensitive…she says you can never say the person won’t be hurt because you don’t feel the hurt…because what she’s feeling may not be the same as how you feel...but, not being able to feel what other people feel do not give you the right to say that she’s not hurting since you are not hurting...and, here she is telling you that she is hurting by what you are doing to her… and yet you just walk away not caring and ignoring whatever she says…this just shows Rachel’s lack of empathy to Vanessa…without even trying to even understand and know Vanessa first hand, Rachel has already made pre-judgment on Vanessa that she is evil, and she is fake...

I don’t think Vanessa would have mentioned it to Nick, if it doesn’t bother her…being branded as an outcast from a group of people living in the same house is really tough to go through emotionally every single day, that could probably also be one of the reasons why Vanessa has been more sensitive than she normally is in that environment…

If Rachel has been brave enough to accept faults on her actions…and, has accepted Vanessa’s truce for settlement by bridging their communication gap …I am positive, Vanessa would have gone back to Nick correcting herself on the way Rachel has treated her…thus, giving Rachel 5 stars for acting like a mature adult… but, this has never happened because Rachel simply didn’t care since she disliked Vanessa immensely….

To be able to feel for others (compassion) is a great feeling, and it is really hard to do, it takes a lot of ego stripping, swallowing your pride, a lot of understanding, kindness, patience, passion, discipline and control to make it happen…

In Vanessa’s case, she always tries to understand Nick in every way possible, thus when she has concerns and questions, she would go straight to the point communicate with him tactfully to resolve the issues…I would think that Vanessa would have done the same thing to Rachel…when Vanessa approached Rachel about her action in rolling her eyes during the group chat, not giving her eye contact, Vanessa told her she felt ostracized…Vanessa had voiced her concerns to Rachel... but, Rachel simply turned her other cheek and showed Vanessa how much she had disliked her by walking away from the issues…Rachel’s answer was she didn’t have any problem with Vanessa, but she felt uncomfortable around her… but, then the eye rolling Rachel made in Episode 7 at Bimini occurred during the time Vanessa’s second 1-1 date had been announced…her action seemed to be saying otherwise...thus, coming in contrast against her words to Vanessa...Rachel had basically tried to defend herself, by stating that she had no problem with Vanessa, and she was uncomfortable around her… and, yet Rachel was the one who made the eye roll to Vanessa…this came off more like Rachel was the aggressor...

How do you classify a person as playing the victim when you don’t really know how sensitive she is…a person becomes an underdog when she keeps quiet, and doesn’t fight back…when she is being bullied/maltreated, thus winning empathy from the people around her...I have never taken being an underdog as something negative…I actually think it is a good thing since it shows the degree of compassion, understanding and patience the person has in dealing with others in certain situations…to me it is equivalent to the act of killing people with kindness, being the bigger person to extend your hand to reach out in resolving problems regardless of whose fault it is...

One thing RS has mentioned about Rachel in his blog…Rachel always knows how to say the right thing to people… -IMO- now, if I am right maybe that have been among the reasons all along why the girls like Rachel….because Rachel knows how to say the right things--saying nicer things that pleases them, words that the girls like and want to hear… these make me admire Vanessa more for being real...

-JMO-

Liking this will not give it justice. LOVE IT!

Loulou wrote:I have just looked at instragram of Lucianomercuri - I think Vs uncle and a very clear message to people who bully via sm. sorry don't know how to bring across. IMO V not coping/fed up with all the negative comments, rumours and the girls vocal options. If I'm feeling frustrated by the edit can't imagine how she feels with everyone questioning their relationship. Bring on the Final. So over the Bach edit. Love N & V together and hoping for a happy ever after the bachelor.

Yes, I am going to agree that RS and Rachel/Alexis playtime on insta really hurt her and lit a fire in the Grimaldi household with all the comments it brought to her SM. I brought it over. https://www.instagram.com/p/BRHA-U1BlAb/

2ndcampbell wrote:Like Vanessa, I'm starting to have doubts about Nick's affection towards her. What if she's not F1? It's not in my head but I feel it in my gut. I hope I'm wrong and foiler be damned.

I have never doubted myself by saying that Nick will not pick Raven...-IMO- this has obviously been shown in Raven's FS, their interactions are not intimate and, have no fire...every word Nick utters telling Vanessa to stay out of her head, him asking for Vanessa's Dad blessings stating that 2 people madly in love wanting to get married... Nick's extensive explanations on why he cannot say ILY and asking Vanessa to be patient and just follow her heart...Vanessa giving us the thought that she is moving to New York by signing up with a  NY agency...are more than enough proofs for me to say that she is the one...