Bachelor 21 - Nick Viall - F1-F3 - Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

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There is no proof regarding number of HTDs other than RS say-so of 4 despite there only being pics verifying that Raven and Nick were together in her hometown.  During Kaitlyn's season there were supposed sightings in Ben's hometown of filming and also sources saying when a WI visit would occur however the HTDs weren't even in the guys' hometowns and didn't include Ben. Could one of the spoiler HTDs be like Ben's? There is nothing in any previews or promos related to HTDs except perhaps the odd orchid SC which has most probably Rachel's hand visible. Maybe there were 4 HTDs, maybe not.

There is only pic proof of 2 girls with knit caps in Lapland.  I don't recall previews of other seasons giving so little by epi 7.  Besides, it's super cold so all need bundle up thus presenting a challenge to viewers in identifying who's who. This begs the question "why are 3 not shown?"

The previews/promos dropped advance clues very early on about Vanessa in a tropical zone.  The same drop was used to geotag Rachel in a cold climate.  I find that parallel interesting and it may have relevancy.  

SM pre-season sleuthing was a challenge as Vanessa's IG was uncovered late and both Rachel and Vanessa were inactive on Twitter and were not frequent users of IG.  Raven also had anomalies on SM.

Given Nick and RS's long tumultuous history, if ever there was a year to take RS on a 1-1 to the cheese farm as a boobie prize, it would be this season.

I think some pieces are incongruent at this point.  Might change my mind later  

I didn't think this was Vanessa before, I always thought it was Raven but now I do think that it's Vanessa. Because she has started wearing a winter jacket lately that looks exactly like this jacket.

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I don't think that's vanessa cos of the height isn't she short? I remember seeing the very first pics of her from the zero gravity date and she was barely taller than his shoulder

The only flaw in the rationale is the friend on her right is continually wearing a similar jacket and she was not even on the show.

I don't think Vanessa is that much shorter than Raven and the woman is clearly standing on her toes, even while Nick is hunching down, for them to kiss.

Raven is 5'6 and Vanessa is 5 3 1/2 according to Bachelor bios.

Kashathediva wrote:The only flaw in the rationale is the friend on her right is continually wearing a similar jacket and she was not even on the show.

Yeah, that's a pretty typical black parka jacket. Hard to tell if it's identical or not. Besides, they might've all just bought coats once in Finland, since I doubt they were carrying winter gear around the whole time.

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Kashathediva wrote:The only flaw in the rationale is the friend on her right is continually wearing a similar jacket and she was not even on the show.

Yeah, that's a pretty typical black parka jacket. Hard to tell if it's identical or not. Besides, they might've all just bought coats once in Finland, since I doubt they were carrying winter gear around the whole time.

Vanessa was 1 of 4 girls interviewed before filming started.  It was about what each packed.  Vanessa said one of her suitcases had winter clothes, a coat and boots.

Written part of interview is about other stuff but it is followed by the vid about packing
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I have heard the cast is told to pack for all kinds of weather.

For Ben's season, the producers bought the girls winter coats when they were in Warsaw. And then returned them! One of the sales associates wrote about her interaction with the producers and the girls.

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mindless wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:The only flaw in the rationale is the friend on her right is continually wearing a similar jacket and she was not even on the show.

Yeah, that's a pretty typical black parka jacket. Hard to tell if it's identical or not. Besides, they might've all just bought coats once in Finland, since I doubt they were carrying winter gear around the whole time.

Vanessa was 1 of 4 girls interviewed before filming started.  It was about what each packed.  Vanessa said one of her suitcases had winter clothes, a coat and boots.

Written part of interview is about other stuff but it is followed by the vid about packing
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Ah, thanks! Well the girl in the SC is wearing boots, so maybe it is her. We're gonna have to compare bums or something.

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We have pic proofs of Raven and Nick, a pic of Nick at Miami airport, so that, imo, proves Raven and Corinne are in f4. Rachel is in Finland per sc. The only proof for Vanessa is RS said Nick was spotted in Montreal airport.
So I think there are 4 HTDs