Bachelor 21 - Nick Viall - F1-F3 - Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

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Bringing this over to start this thread, when the F1-F6 reaches 80 pages.

bblake wrote:F4 in the promo

Corinne
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Rachel
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Raven
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There was a IG or Tweet, we've seen it several times, with Vanessa and Nick sitting down. She is showing him a book. I came across the same pic when I was catching up on threads, I copied it, but then lost it for something else.

Did they leave that on the cutting room floor?

It appears that interaction with the book was not shown last night.

Are we absolutely sure Rachel is F3 and if so how do we know that?

I know Rachel wasn't big on SM, but do we know when Raven and Rachel surfaced? I'm not convinced, as some others have already mentioned, that Rachel is F3.

The preview scene where Nick and Rachel are sipping hot drinks wearing knit caps can't be from any other locations unless there is a mock winterland venue on her HTD.
BUT then you have a female and Nick clip with them both also wearing knit caps and her cap color is different so it really looks like 2 girls in the same general location.  The 2nd girl looks too tall to be Vanessa so would be either Raven or a Vaill family member or a different final girl than spoiled.

RS gave out some details about what activities were included on Raven, Rachel, and Vanessa's HTDs (someone posted in the forum). Did he give details about Corinne's HTD?

We know this is Rachel thanks to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] who sleuthed the location.

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Vanessa for height comparison take into consideration they are probably both barefoot.

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On her tip toes.

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IMO Raven is much shorter than the girl in the white toque and she would have heels on for the M&G.

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The white hat woman is brunette or dirty blonde with the low light making her appear brunette. She is too short to be Maria however she could be Nick's sister Sarah or Bella.  In a recent family pic, Bella looks taller than Sarah so I'm going with Bella as a possibility. It looks like a lip kiss at first glance but that might just be camera angle.

Vanessa is under 5'4".  In the kiss pic on the boat she might be standing on something. Hmmm, I think she is meant to look taller.  Why?

Rachel and white hat girl both have the same coats on. I would think production all gave them winter coats. Unless Nick's family also got them, but that hug doesn't look like a family hug to me.

Here is a good recap from Sharleen's blog, and IMO why I question Rachel in the F3 spot.
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2. Rachel, 31: Yay for lovely 1-on-1s which justify you getting through an otherwise painful episode! Rachel is just great. She’s sharp but minds her business, and I love how drama-free she is. Way back in her intro video she said she doesn’t believe in love at first sight, and this week she said she’s “so not a butterflies type girl.” This lady is a real pragmatist who keeps it real, making her evident feelings for Nick all the more convincing and interesting. Nick said his chemistry with Rachel is probably the most “explosive” out of any woman there, and when giving her the 1-on-1 rose, said, “When I’m with you I really don’t think about anything else.” Rachel isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.

3. Raven, 25: Raven and Nick have such easy and fun banter, so much so that, despite Raven accidentally slipping the “L” word this week, I’m starting to wonder if I’m getting borderline platonic vibes from these two. For now at least, I still feel like Nick is drawn to and bonds on a mental level with Raven in a really natural, known-each-other-for-years kind of way. I’m standing by for “explosive” chemistry.

From what I remember, we found Rachel's IG much later after a member here saw it on one of the follows of some other contestant (She had @big_rach as her IG and the photo wasn't recognizable at first glance). So it's hard to say when she truly resurfaced on SM IMO compared to Raven.

Even though we have no proof, I still think Nick let her go at F3 inspite of having a stronger connection compared to Raven (IMO) coz if he already had Vanessa pegged as F1, IMO TPTB would want to see the audience reception for Rachel on WTA (IMO Caila lost the gig as 'Ette coz of the lukewarm and meh audience reception at WTA)

JMO The other reasons I can think of that I had posted in Rachel's thread earlier is the rumored dislike between her and Vanessa. IMO No point in pitting them against each other one last time at FRC if Nick can let Rachel go at F3. Also that would be one less woman his parents and family have to meet as a potential daughter-in-law on TV (IMO). They already met Raven during his hometown date so it would be only his F1 Vanessa they would be meeting for the first time during F2 family meet.

All JMO.

coolangel wrote:From what I remember, we found Rachel's IG much later after a member here saw it on one of the follows of some other contestant (She had @big_rach as her IG and the photo wasn't recognizable at first glance). So it's hard to say when she truly resurfaced on SM IMO compared to Raven.

Even though we have no proof, I still think Nick let her go at F3 inspite of having a stronger connection compared to Raven (IMO) coz if he already had Vanessa pegged as F1, IMO TPTB would want to see the audience reception for Rachel on WTA (IMO Caila lost the gig as 'Ette coz of the lukewarm and meh audience reception at WTA)

JMO The other reasons I can think of that I had posted in Rachel's thread earlier is the rumored dislike between her and Vanessa. IMO No point in pitting them against each other one last time at FRC if Nick can let Rachel go at F3. Also that would be one less woman his parents and family have to meet as a potential daughter-in-law on TV (IMO). They already met Raven during his hometown date so it would be only his F1 Vanessa they would be meeting for the first time during F2 family meet.

All JMO.

We'll have to see how the HTDs go but I will speculate anyway
IMO Nick wants no part of having to deal with Corinne and FS regardless of any gleeful insistence by tptb.
IMO Nick may have preferred to let Rachel go at F4. Need to see the HTD however when Nick talked about fathers, Rachel could have described her dad by giving personality traits but instead gave his full job title. Then we find out that Nick is to address him as "Sir" (unless of course her dad says otherwise when they meet). Both these things say to me that job/status matter. No problem with that but Nick isn't exactly an easy fit in that regard. Also the "sir" bit says to mean "earn respect" versus the philosophy that you approach with respect then withdraw if circumstances warrant that choice. I think Rachel comes from the first, Nick from the latter. Anyways, I saw red flags in the dinner convo.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] those are all good points and I can see that, but from my POV, Rachel's audience reception is not an issue because I never thought they are considering her as the 'ette. I am still waiting for that one little edit that tells me they are.

Pitting the F1 against the F2 IMO is something TPTB would want to showcase and I can't get the fact that Rachel doesn't follow Vanessa back out of my head.

Nick and CH both referred to explosive chemistry when it comes to Rachel. I don't recall a F3 that had that kind of chemistry description. I just need more convincing that Rachel is F3. My gut is telling me otherwise, but maybe I don't have all the facts.

Not sure if this commented anywhere - but I recall when the season first started and Raven was doing a periscope and she said something to the effect "RS isn't right about everything" or "RS isn't always right" or "RS doesn't always know everything". I just remember it brought me back to the days of Sean on Emily's season when he said on a radio station that RS wasn't right about everything and it turned out that he had his F3 (Sean) and F2 (Arie) originally switched in his spoiler.

Not sure if anyone else remembers that from Raven's periscope?