Bachelor 21 - Nick Viall - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #3

Lara wrote:I do wonder if he knew Raven would be part of the final four that first night. We might just not have seen it, but it didn't seem like they had much chemistry or connection in their conversation. It felt like Danielle m (or l) was supposed to be part of the original four.

I also thought that the positioning of the women at the ceremonies is based on dress color and height for aesthetic purposes, with anyone who already had a rose standing to the side, but I might be wrong. IMO.

I think there is definitely an idea of who the lead is picking for F4 but like was mentioned above, there is always unknown circumstances that could end up shaking that up. IMO for example, in seasons where only 1 person got a night 1 first impression rose such as Sharleen for JP and Olivia for Ben I would think they were both on night 1 in the "Final 4" bracket however circumstances including Sharleen removing herself from the competition and Olivia falling off of Ben's radar changed that course. I do agree that Danielle M fell into that final 4 night 1 more so than it seemed Raven did so it will be interesting to see how her elimination plays out and what Nick's explanation about it is. Maybe he at that point knew based on those left that no matter how far he took Dani, he knew she wouldn't be F1 and maybe figured in her specific case it would be better to let her go sooner than later. Just a guess at this point though.

Oh, I completely agree that most leads do know their final four or at least most of it by night one! Sean being the one exception. I think nick definitely knew Vanessa, Rachel, and probably Corrine would make it. I just think that Lisa was perhaps right and it was just a coincidence that all the three runner ups were standing next to each other while Vanessa got her rose. I think it was just an aesthetics decision! IMO, of course.

Did anyone else see the Life & Style article from Jan 4th? I hope none of that is true, it says that the women wanted to leave & Nick was always making lewd & rude comments to them & the season was a total disaster..

MonicaJM2001 wrote:

Lara wrote:I do wonder if he knew Raven would be part of the final four that first night. We might just not have seen it, but it didn't seem like they had much chemistry or connection in their conversation. It felt like Danielle m (or l) was supposed to be part of the original four.

I also thought that the positioning of the women at the ceremonies is based on dress color and height for aesthetic purposes, with anyone who already had a rose standing to the side, but I might be wrong. IMO.

I think there is definitely an idea of who the lead is picking for F4 but like was mentioned above, there is always unknown circumstances that could end up shaking that up. IMO for example,  in seasons where only 1 person got a night 1 first impression rose such as Sharleen for JP and Olivia for Ben I would think they were both on night 1 in the "Final 4" bracket however circumstances including Sharleen removing herself from the competition and Olivia falling off of Ben's radar changed that course. I do agree that Danielle M fell into that final 4 night 1 more so than it seemed Raven did so it will be interesting to see how her elimination plays out and what Nick's explanation about it is. Maybe he at that point knew based on those left that no matter how far he took Dani, he knew she wouldn't be F1 and maybe figured in her specific case it would be better to let her go sooner than later. Just a guess at this point though.

Viewers watching epi 1 (especially anyone who sleuthes or reads RS or reads rag mags) know much more about some of the girls/guys than the lead does.  The lead has 25-30 people exiting limos in rapid succession and then fairly short convos after that.
IMO chemistry would play a part, because you just feel it or it you don't, and then the convo has to tic some boxes as determined by each lead.
 I think as the lead gets to know more the people in the final 4 can change.  That's very much like real life dating in the more you know about someone the more you know if the future is with or without them.
I highly doubt any lead felt all the final 4 were potential life partners but I do think the lead is tasked with giving 1-2 people sufficient airtime to "train them" in "the process" as potential next leads.  These "trainees" may be producer pics or the lead's picks.  I really don't know but my guess is a far amount of contestants go on the show with the idea of possibly being the next lead as one of their motivations.
It's just how the show works IMO

Producers place the girls wherever they want,IMO.  I don't begin to try to figure out the way their brains work.  Sometimes it may be for authentic, others to cause tension and drama, etc., IMO.  So, I don't think it's strictly one or the other, but maybe a combo ot it all.  

In the old days we compared current season RC line ups to the past seasons to figure out and/or confirm F1-4 spots.  JMO

Lisa wrote:

ukglasgowkiiss wrote:I re-watched the whole premiere today. I was struck by the way he looked at her for the first time and when he was sitting talking to her then staring at her just before they got interrupted. I didn"t see that expression of wonder with any other girl that night. I liked that they matched in outfit as her black & white dress matched his polka dot tie- a little detail.
Where Nick is concerned I couldn't care less about being spoiled or if he made it obvious who his f1 is as long as the HEA is real and this is it.  The HEA is the most important part for me this time. Positive warm wishes for a wonderful love story which is just beginning a long and happy life.

Yeah exactly..not sure if anyone has a still of his face as he watched Vanessa talk but his face said it all in those few moments..I can't seem to find stills of his face during their talk but the way he looked at her on the very first night..wow!

I don't have the screenshot,, but when I saw them looking at each other like that, they immediately reminded me of Sean and Cat just before the FS when he told her she was beautiful. It was just one of those moments. I hope they don't disappoint.

Lisa wrote:Did anyone else see the Life & Style article from Jan 4th? I hope none of that is true, it says that the women wanted to leave & Nick was always making lewd & rude comments to them & the season was a total disaster..

I really think we would've heard about it from RS by now, if it was true. He loves that sort of stuff more than anything, especially when it's about someone he dislikes. Based on the previews and spoilers, this seems like a pretty normal season to me,

mindless wrote:

Lisa wrote:Did anyone else see the Life & Style article from Jan 4th? I hope none of that is true, it says that the women wanted to leave & Nick was always making lewd & rude comments to them & the season was a total disaster..

I really think we would've heard about it from RS by now, if it was true. He loves that sort of stuff more than anything, especially when it's about someone he dislikes. Based on the previews and spoilers, this seems like a pretty normal season to me,

Exactly I thought the same thing..RS seems a little harsh this season, I don't think he likes Nick very much, which is silly, he needs to chill

GuardianAngel wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:Embedding Vanessa and Nick moments from Episode 1. Sparks from the minute they met! I love how Nick looked at her, almost like he couldn't believe she was real! And how Nick told Vanessa he is glad she is there! As Nick said, she's "a keeper"  
snipped..

Crickets - He's staring at her as if he's wondering if she's for real. He is head over heels right off the bat IMHO.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V51qEWOJtO8&feature=youtu.be

From
https://www.bachandbachettefans.net/t3977p48-vanessa-grimaldi-bachelor-21-sleuthing-spoilers-2

Okay. Kind of off topic and probably amusing only to me, but it reminded me of how they edit survivor with the snakes and the rats referring to shady contestants and was just wondering if the editors here were amusing themselves in the same way. At the 2:53 mark as Nick and Vanessa were staring at each other and as Corrine comes to interrupt, I hear a cat meow. A sign of catty things to come? Weird things amuse me.

Sprite wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:

Crickets - He's staring at her as if he's wondering if she's for real. He is head over heels right off the bat IMHO.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V51qEWOJtO8&feature=youtu.be

From
https://www.bachandbachettefans.net/t3977p48-vanessa-grimaldi-bachelor-21-sleuthing-spoilers-2

Okay. Kind of off topic and probably amusing only to me, but it reminded me of how they edit survivor with the snakes and the rats referring to shady contestants and was just wondering if the editors here were amusing themselves in the same way. At the 2:53 mark as Nick and Vanessa were staring at each other and as Corrine comes to interrupt, I hear a cat meow. A sign of catty things to come? Weird things amuse me.

YES omg I thought I was hearing things glad you heard that cat meow too..that was so added to show that Corrine will have her claws out this season..

^^^Or maybe just a stray passing by, but how apropos...and they could have edited out, but yet they kept it. Just my mind rambling away.

Sprite wrote:^^^Or maybe just a stray passing by, but how apropos...and they could have edited out, but yet they kept it. Just my mind rambling away.

Maybe Vanessa is a sex kitten