The Bachelorette - Season 12 - JoJo Fletcher - Epi 9 - July 25th - FS - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

GuardianAngel wrote:Personally I don't praise anyone that is so obvious with their fakeness. Bachelorette 10 faked her way from day one, 'ette 11 hopped from one bed to another leading on, an apparently threw out the ILY's, Ben faked his way with two ILY's, but at the end of the day, to the F1, "you were always the one"

IMO JoJo was upset because she is so insecure about her decisions, she probably wondered if she let the safe choice go. Nothing more, IMHO. Such a dramatic exit for a F4 when you know who your F1 choice is. I'll bet a Canadian loonie, we will be graced with the famous "you were always the one" BS. It's the name of the game, you let them go one by one because you have the intended F1 at the end.

Yes IA they are suppose to lead everyone, however it works both ways. When the favoured spoiled F1 is defended, the lead is praised for feeling bad for letting others go, rather than faking the dramatic exit scenes.

Just wanted to point out that not everyone finds Jojo obviously fake or even fake at all for that matter. I don't find her fake at all, even though I totally expect her mind was pretty set on Jordan before night one and that she played out her role with what was asked of her when needed.  That's just being the  lead.  I still find her emotions and conversations and fondness for the guys really genuine and authentic and endearing.  JMO.

Ash2214 wrote:Regardless of why JoJo's ratings are so high, they still are. Her season, in which she is the lead, has given them the best ratings in years in comparison to other leads and their season.

JoJo became the lead in the first place because of the amount of people (fans, past leads, past contestants, entertainment outlets, etc.) vouched for her to be the lead and they didn't want someone else. She is now the most followed person in the "bachelor family" on IG. She's clearly well liked. IMO.

  and being well liked is well deserved IMO without gushing about all the reasons I think Jojo is awesome and has done a great job on the show, both seasons she was on.  And in general network ratings are on the decline and have been for years in this modern entertainment landscape.  To have a show as old as the Bachelor franchise increase year over year is a big deal and very off trend IMO.  I'm sure the network is thrilled with the results and I'm not going to discount that the lead of Jojo has a big part in that.  Good for her and I hope to get to see more of her in the future.

relaxing wrote:..
Just wanted to point out that not everyone finds Jojo obviously fake or even fake at all for that matter. I don't find her fake at all, even though I totally expect her mind was pretty set on Jordan before night one and that she played out her role with what was asked of her when needed.  That's just being the  lead.  I still find her emotions and conversations and fondness for the guys really genuine and authentic and endearing.  JMO.

I didn't say that. It's only my opinion, not everyone's.

ForeverLove wrote:

Seabear wrote:JoJo has definitely done her Job as Ette. But it is just not believable because is soooooo Obvious and Scripted that it has Always been Jordan since before he even got out of the Limo night one. That is a difference that makes this season so tedious and boring compared to most of the others. I am not seeing anyone else being anything other than a Job for JoJo to get to her prize of Jordan at the FRC. Snoozerville....Zzzzzzzzzzzz.     JMO

I hope TPTB learned their lesson and avoid the prearranged relationships in future casting. As a viewer it is much more interesting to watch the Lead sift through many possible connections to find their choice to of F1. That is much more compelling than watching what we were given this preordained season.  Again JMO.

So very true! There's not really a discussion over who F1 is albeit a few. Not even the spoiled F2 are disputed regarding their order of rejection and who wins. That's how obvious this is. I've not watched the last three episodes because of my disinterest in the predictability of everything. This season is a fail to me. Every so often We get a dud season where the editing department does a crappy job . This is one of those seasons imo. Preordained is the perfect word to describe it.

Also, they didn't even bother to edit the F1 so we could like him.  If anything, they made sure many would question him and JoJo.

Ash2214 wrote:I guess for me, especially in recent seasons, I have seen the leads pick someone from pretty much the very start of the season and it stays that way until the end. I could probably create a large list of them all. I don't see a difference this season. Personally, I view this all as a television show and I don't need the "fairy tale" of the lead picking someone once the step out of the limo and regardless, it's not JoJo's fault ABC leaked Jordan before her season started filming.

Ultimately, all involved seem to be very happy right now and ABC has gotten the best ratings for the bachelorette that they've had in years. It's a win-win IMO.

Sorry about the double post.

Ratings are not always based on who the best Bachelorette/bachelor is but also the drama. This season Chad brought viewers in as much as JoJo did, imo. Jordan's family issues is another draw. Bachelorette 11 brought viewers in because some thought it was scandalous. I think a lot of viewers were excited about JoJo being the bette but got bored early on. The drama has kept a lot still watching.

babs wrote:

ForeverLove wrote:

Seabear wrote:JoJo has definitely done her Job as Ette. But it is just not believable because is soooooo Obvious and Scripted that it has Always been Jordan since before he even got out of the Limo night one. That is a difference that makes this season so tedious and boring compared to most of the others. I am not seeing anyone else being anything other than a Job for JoJo to get to her prize of Jordan at the FRC. Snoozerville....Zzzzzzzzzzzz.     JMO

I hope TPTB learned their lesson and avoid the prearranged relationships in future casting. As a viewer it is much more interesting to watch the Lead sift through many possible connections to find their choice to of F1. That is much more compelling than watching what we were given this preordained season.  Again JMO.

So very true! There's not really a discussion over who F1 is albeit a few. Not even the spoiled F2 are disputed regarding their order of rejection and who wins. That's how obvious this is. I've not watched the last three episodes because of my disinterest in the predictability of everything. This season is a fail to me. Every so often We get a dud season where the editing department does a crappy job . This is one of those seasons imo. Preordained is the perfect word to describe it.

Also, they didn't even bother to edit the F1 so we could like him.  If anything, they made sure many would question him and JoJo.

I'm still hoping for a foiler to validate my spending time watching this season as I've found it to be quite tedious.

The alleged F1 was divulged early, which puts a damper on sleuthing, usually lines the majority behind the spoiled one, and results in limited discussions. The expert sleuthers here have been busy working their magic to expose the finalists as well, and recent digging has exposed a possibility that things may not end as they seem. If it werent for the sleuthing, I would have tuned out a long time ago.

babs wrote:

ForeverLove wrote:

Seabear wrote:JoJo has definitely done her Job as Ette. But it is just not believable because is soooooo Obvious and Scripted that it has Always been Jordan since before he even got out of the Limo night one. That is a difference that makes this season so tedious and boring compared to most of the others. I am not seeing anyone else being anything other than a Job for JoJo to get to her prize of Jordan at the FRC. Snoozerville....Zzzzzzzzzzzz.     JMO

I hope TPTB learned their lesson and avoid the prearranged relationships in future casting. As a viewer it is much more interesting to watch the Lead sift through many possible connections to find their choice to of F1. That is much more compelling than watching what we were given this preordained season.  Again JMO.

So very true! There's not really a discussion over who F1 is albeit a few. Not even the spoiled F2 are disputed regarding their order of rejection and who wins. That's how obvious this is. I've not watched the last three episodes because of my disinterest in the predictability of everything. This season is a fail to me. Every so often We get a dud season where the editing department does a crappy job . This is one of those seasons imo. Preordained is the perfect word to describe it.

Also, they didn't even bother to edit the F1 so we could like him.  If anything, they made sure many would question him and JoJo.

IMO they do this every season when the end is obvious- JP, Shawn B, Josh come to mind- all those men were obvious f1s and had pretty bad edits, even though I personally liked all of them I don't know what choice tptb have when the lead is so obvious- they have to put the pressure on her f1 to give him a bad edit to keep some mystery in there.

Alanna wrote:

babs wrote:

ForeverLove wrote:



So very true! There's not really a discussion over who F1 is albeit a few. Not even the spoiled F2 are disputed regarding their order of rejection and who wins. That's how obvious this is. I've not watched the last three episodes because of my disinterest in the predictability of everything. This season is a fail to me. Every so often We get a dud season where the editing department does a crappy job . This is one of those seasons imo. Preordained is the perfect word to describe it.

Also, they didn't even bother to edit the F1 so we could like him.  If anything, they made sure many would question him and JoJo.

IMO they do this every season when the end is obvious- JP, Shawn B, Josh come to mind- all those men were obvious f1s and had pretty bad edits, even though I personally liked all of them I don't know what choice tptb have when the lead is so obvious- they have to put the pressure on her f1 to give him a bad edit to keep some mystery in there.

Do they usually edit the F1 badly, to the degree that they have this season? It's been bad from the beginning and hasn't improved so far.

babs wrote:

Alanna wrote:

babs wrote:

Also, they didn't even bother to edit the F1 so we could like him.  If anything, they made sure many would question him and JoJo.

IMO they do this every season when the end is obvious- JP, Shawn B, Josh come to mind- all those men were obvious f1s and had pretty bad edits, even though I personally liked all of them I don't know what choice tptb have when the lead is so obvious- they have to put the pressure on her f1 to give him a bad edit to keep some mystery in there.

Do they usually edit the F1 badly, to the degree that they have this season?  It's been bad from the beginning and hasn't improved so far.  

I mean, I think the f1s' edits stayed consistent, not so awesome, when it was this obvious. I can't take them that to heart personally, considering I give the benefit of the doubt as the producers are trying to make an interesting, controversial, DRAMATIC show above all else or any "love story."

^^ I understand that you and I may not take the edits seriously but most people don't follow the show like we do. A lot thinks what we see is what it is and they have not given much reason for people to like Jordan, especially over some of the other men.

babs wrote:^^  I understand that you and I may not take the edits seriously but most people don't follow the show like we do.  A lot thinks what we see is what it is and they have not given much reason for people to like Jordan, especially over some of the other men.

But BBJ is the most popular choice for her going by sm, so the majority don't take them seriously either imo, at least not to the extent we do here when we analyze the show constantly.

There has been NO drama this season. The closest thing to any drama was/is Chad. That's it. Like I said, the season seems tedious, because 1) It's so obvious JoJo is crazyyyy about only Jordan (though, honestly, what's new? Most of the recent leads have only been crazyyyy about 1 person.) 2) the drama has been so manufactured and stupid because it's obvious all the guys got/get along and are friends. 3) The guys this season are just not all that great IMO (though, I usually always think this every season TBH. 4) All the holidays and breaks have made the season very choppy/feel like it's been dragging on. 5) the dates this season have been kind of "meh" (as in the date activities)


All IMO. ^ All of the above is why the season has been lagging IMO. But the ratings, say otherwise, I guess... And ultimately that's all tptb care about...So, I'd say mission accomplished! Good job cast and viewers!

I believe the FS date with BBJ was so hot they had to leave a lot out. I also think they probably have already had a FS date...one that was "squeezed" in during the hometowns. ;)