The Bachelorette - Season 12 - JoJo Fletcher - General Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #4

Lennoxcolinrolland wrote:

Idlemess wrote:I saw a clip on an episode with JoJo asking Chad to list the things he like about her and he said he didn't know, that he doesn't know her. He said to the guys on that date that they couldn't possibly love her after meeting for one day or from looking her up 

I'll take that over being fake and making thing up to progress on the show

If you saw a clip, you probably didn't get the idea of the whole date. The date was tongue in cheek. There were marriage proposals, rolling a stick on heads, etc. it was dumb.

IMO.

I did get the whole idea, and perhaps you didn't. That's Chad's whole point. He's not going to lie and say something he doesn't mean, whether it's fake pretend a game or whatever.

JBF wrote:

That last episode did feel very rushed, as if they just want to get this show over with and bring on Bachelor in Paradise (promoted more than the finale in MTA). I think her meltdown dumping Luke was longer than any fantasy date. Not to mention so much of the talk in the fantasy dates seemed overly scripted. Everybody looked like they were reading cue cards.

As I joked before, this show LOVES having a "to be continued". It would not surprise me in the least if After the Final Rose is also a "to be continued".

O.M.G. I think you are are right on point @JBF ... They did it 2 times this season.

Since it is a live show. They can still adjust the script.

1. she picked nobody and she is happy now
2. she picked jordan and LUVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVed him but they need time (please read we already broke up but we are saving faces)
3. she picked jordan and they broke up (jordan will of course be there so they can make it official)

fabgirl wrote:Watching all season I saw an insecure young lady seeking love and not really ready for it, she needed more time to heal from past breakup with chad and heartbreak from ben.Iam old fashion and i believe in being pursued not me pursing. She needs to know her self worth and have high expectations to be treated like a queen.This entire season she seemed like she was begging Jordan please pick me,please love me back,it's sad.He seem like a great guy but when he didnt know what he wanted from a year from now, that would have done it for me.She is inexperienced when it comes to knowing what real love is.They have a work to do in order for it to last.I dont think she was looking for long term marriage in this season, she was looking for a playmate.RS statement may or may not be true, but she put more emphasis on ben and aaron this season as well whether egged on by franchise. She worked to hard to get Jordan, I doubt the rumors are true.Wishing them the best. I was teamchase and teamluke. She is taking a beating on her social media for sending luke and chase home. I hope while watching back she can see her areas for growth and wisdom.

Few decades ago in France, a 25 years single old woman was called a Catherinette. Most women at this age were not only married but had already 1, 2 or 3 kids. Today's generation, we call them still immature and young and need to understand what they want etc  It seems that now 'young people' who are mature and have wisdom is more like 30. (I fear that in 2 or 3 decades, women will be ready to marry at what, 40?... uh?)

That is exactly what I saw too and I think a log of people too: she hunted Jordan. Not the other way around. She wanted him so bad to fill in the ideal role of her picture perfect fiance next to be husband that she kept nagging him (thank you Chad, he is a big jerk but what he says is most of the time right). She reminds me the spouses who stay with their husbands because they hope that they will change..... nope, they never change, like ever. It generally lead toward very unhappy marriage or a divorce.

I always thought that if a relationship start under such headaches, it rarely ends like Cinderella.

Again for me, it is plain obvious that the guy wanted a girlfriend. He would have been perfect in NZ or AU seasons where they do not ask the leads to propose but it ends with a commitment to date. As far as I know, nobody who successfully found their mate there are married (2 couples). It is with the US version that they MUST propose, which I always found ridiculous. Instead of focusing on the drama villain, they should have added an extra episode like one month after the FRC, and then a live or not proposal. That would have make more sense. But it is what it is.

So IMO, jojo came back from her cloud 4 1/2 9 pretty quickly. Reality check when she finally understood that the guy will never be the perfect guy she dreamed. And I support many people on this: if she is still with him, that is only a Jillian/Ed repeat.

It would be nice to have a poll here and ask if we believe they are together based on what we saw on TV.

EVERYTHING above is my opinion and my speculations, as usual. TY

GuardianAngel wrote:

Lennoxcolinrolland wrote:

Idlemess wrote:I saw a clip on an episode with JoJo asking Chad to list the things he like about her and he said he didn't know, that he doesn't know her. He said to the guys on that date that they couldn't possibly love her after meeting for one day or from looking her up 

I'll take that over being fake and making thing up to progress on the show

If you saw a clip, you probably didn't get the idea of the whole date. The date was tongue in cheek. There were marriage proposals, rolling a stick on heads, etc. it was dumb.

IMO.

I did get the whole idea, and perhaps you didn't. That's Chad's whole point. He's not going to lie and say something he doesn't mean, whether it's fake pretend a game or whatever.

Yeah, I know. But since it was tongue in cheek, I think it was SUPPOSED to be funny.

IMO.

HEA wrote:

JBF wrote:

That last episode did feel very rushed, as if they just want to get this show over with and bring on Bachelor in Paradise (promoted more than the finale in MTA). I think her meltdown dumping Luke was longer than any fantasy date. Not to mention so much of the talk in the fantasy dates seemed overly scripted. Everybody looked like they were reading cue cards.

As I joked before, this show LOVES having a "to be continued". It would not surprise me in the least if After the Final Rose is also a "to be continued".

O.M.G. I think you are are right on point @JBF ... They did it 2 times this season.

Since it is a live show. They can still adjust the script.

1. she picked nobody and she is happy now
2. she picked jordan and LUVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVed him but they need time (please read we already broke up but we are saving faces)
3. she picked jordan and they broke up (jordan will of course be there so they can make it official)

fabgirl wrote:Watching all season I saw an insecure young lady seeking love and not really ready for it, she needed more time to heal from past breakup with chad and heartbreak from ben.Iam old fashion and i believe in being pursued not me pursing. She needs to know her self worth and have high expectations to be treated like a queen.This entire season she seemed like she was begging Jordan please pick me,please love me back,it's sad.He seem like a great guy but when he didnt know what he wanted from a year from now, that would have done it for me.She is inexperienced when it comes to knowing what real love is.They have a work to do in order for it to last.I dont think she was looking for long term marriage in this season, she was looking for a playmate.RS statement may or may not be true, but she put more emphasis on ben and aaron this season as well whether egged on by franchise. She worked to hard to get Jordan, I doubt the rumors are true.Wishing them the best. I was teamchase and teamluke. She is taking a beating on her social media for sending luke and chase home. I hope while watching back she can see her areas for growth and wisdom.

Few decades ago in France, a 25 years single old woman was called a Catherinette. Most women at this age were not only married but had already 1, 2 or 3 kids. Today's generation, we call them still immature and young and need to understand what they want etc  It seems that now 'young people' who are mature and have wisdom is more like 30. (I fear that in 2 or 3 decades, women will be ready to marry at what, 40?... uh?)

That is exactly what I saw too and I think a log of people too: she hunted Jordan. Not the other way around. She wanted him so bad to fill in the ideal role of her picture perfect fiance next to be husband that she kept nagging him (thank you Chad, he is a big jerk but what he says is most of the time right). She reminds me the spouses who stay with their husbands because they hope that they will change..... nope, they never change, like ever. It generally lead toward very unhappy marriage or a divorce.

I always thought that if a relationship start under such headaches, it rarely ends like Cinderella.

Again for me, it is plain obvious that the guy wanted a girlfriend. He would have been perfect in NZ or AU seasons where they do not ask the leads to propose but it ends with a commitment to date. As far as I know, nobody who successfully found their mate there are married (2 couples). It is with the US version that they MUST propose, which I always found ridiculous. Instead of focusing on the drama villain, they should have added an extra episode like one month after the FRC, and then a live or not proposal. That would have make more sense. But it is what it is.

So IMO, jojo came back from her cloud 4 1/2 9 pretty quickly. Reality check when she finally understood that the guy will never be the perfect guy she dreamed. And I support many people on this: if she is still with him, that is only a Jillian/Ed repeat.

It would be nice to have a poll here and ask if we believe they are together based on what we saw on TV.

EVERYTHING above is my opinion and my speculations, as usual. TY

They've done this before. 
I don't think it's going to happen this season.

^^ probably. but how many times did we have a vanilla proposals? I am not sure everyone remember the old ette FRC

JBF wrote:

HEA wrote:is it me only to think that they were cheap on jojo season regarding the activities and fantasy suites?

I was hoping more va va voom romantic gateaways.... but saw a lot of sand, walking in streets, country field walks...

I was expecting to see elephants... so many historical temples... and they also have huge charities animals organization they could have used (she loves dog, why not Soi Dog Foundation)... where are the sea diving or surfing or whatever?

I saw this boat with jordan and little boat kissing... the yacht and plane.. again with jordan... but everything else is totally cheap IMO

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That last episode did feel very rushed, as if they just want to get this show over with and bring on Bachelor in Paradise (promoted more than the finale in MTA). I think her meltdown dumping Luke was longer than any fantasy date. Not to mention so much of the talk in the fantasy dates seemed overly scripted. Everybody looked like they were reading cue cards.

As I joked before, this show LOVES having a "to be continued". It would not surprise me in the least if After the Final Rose is also a "to be continued".

GuardianAngel wrote:

Lennoxcolinrolland wrote:

Idlemess wrote:I saw a clip on an episode with JoJo asking Chad to list the things he like about her and he said he didn't know, that he doesn't know her. He said to the guys on that date that they couldn't possibly love her after meeting for one day or from looking her up 

I'll take that over being fake and making thing up to progress on the show

If you saw a clip, you probably didn't get the idea of the whole date. The date was tongue in cheek. There were marriage proposals, rolling a stick on heads, etc. it was dumb.

IMO.

I did get the whole idea, and perhaps you didn't. That's Chad's whole point. He's not going to lie and say something he doesn't mean, whether it's fake pretend a game or whatever.

I actually agree with Chad in terms of how dumb contestants with love dust in their eyes (Robby!) falling in love over night seem. It's his arrogance which is distasteful.

GuardianAngel wrote:

Lennoxcolinrolland wrote:

Idlemess wrote:I saw a clip on an episode with JoJo asking Chad to list the things he like about her and he said he didn't know, that he doesn't know her. He said to the guys on that date that they couldn't possibly love her after meeting for one day or from looking her up 

I'll take that over being fake and making thing up to progress on the show

If you saw a clip, you probably didn't get the idea of the whole date. The date was tongue in cheek. There were marriage proposals, rolling a stick on heads, etc. it was dumb.

IMO.

I did get the whole idea, and perhaps you didn't. That's Chad's whole point. He's not going to lie and say something he doesn't mean, whether it's fake pretend a game or whatever.

I actually agree with Chad's point. (Initially, I found him to be a breath of fresh air.) It IS ridiculous to come into the Bach process in love with the lead (Robby!). It's his arrogance I can't stand.

This means nada to the ending of this season, but it was discussed for awhile, then kinda dropped. It's about the bracelet she's wearing in a scene at the frc location. You can just make it out in these shots:



Then in these frc scenes she isn't wearing it:

The one with the bracelet almost looks like this one plus another chain type with a charm on it.



Fashion thread

It looks different to me GA.

So did they shoot the first frc scene at a different time, or did she give the bracelet back to the giver, or did it break, or what? Like I said, it doesn't matter at all to the outcome, it's just a curiosity.

This is a bracelet she wore at the beginning of her fd date with Robby:


Then she is wearing two bracelets later in the fd while she and Robby are getting pedis:



Gift from Robby? Same as the one she wears at FRC?

This is from the FD with Jordan while sitting on the rock in the cave:




She does love her gold bracelets. I don't think this is the same as the one she added during Robby's fd, but it is certainly similar.

Maybe the FRC scene in the bracelet was filmed a day earlier so they'd have plenty of b-roll footage. And they didn't notice she didn't have on a bracelet the next day. I dunno. Just interesting that it's there, then not there.