The Bachelorette - Season 12 - JoJo Fletcher - General Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #4

Hi Y'all. Hope you are well and enjoying your summer!

Just catching up, watching back episodes.  A couple of observations.

Luuuuuuuuuke. Grounded, mature, wry, contained, contemplative, manly, sexy. Wide ranging life experience. Still waters run deep. LOVE this boy. (I don’t normally watch The Bach, but will definitely make an exception for Luke.      

JoJo. Buoyant, youthful, outgoing.

Lots of natural chemistry. Opposites attract, definitely.

But this is a highly edited show, right? (hahah).

I feel like something is missing, something JoJo saw in Luke that made her back off from the “CRAZY” chemistry.  

Just finished watching the last episode in Argentina, before HTDs (where James is let go) and JoJo’s talking about Luke NOT about how he makes her feel.  Big red flag.  (And this, BTW, is why I had such a hard time letting go of SWSNBN/Nick b/c even at her MTPs she was going on about how he made her feel like a woman). Yes, JoJo admires Luke, but does she want to be with him. Based on what we are being shown, the answer sadly is no.

A side note – It’s undoubtedly hard to be honest when breaking up with someone, even worse on a reality show and  I actually think JoJo has done VERY well, clearly been empathetic, really trying to make the rejected suitors feel ok about the situation.

In the context of the show being highly edited, the only thing I can see is that Luke seems to lay back, wait for JoJo to engage with him, and does not seem to ask her about herself.  He’s also not shown any real insecurity, nerves or hesitations. Maybe JoJo reads this as being less engaged as well.

Or maybe something happened??

Either way, if there IS something that is less than flattering or would be polarizing in terms of Luke fans, I understand why TPTB are keeping the information to themselves….since it seems likely Luke will be our next Bach.  (Yeah!)

Didn’t watch Ben’s season, but I really like JoJo. She is being portrayed as kind and level-headed, NOT a diva or flake (like our last 2 ‘ettes). Sort of reminds me of Desiree. Although IMO she is clearly more into Jordan than he with her (Jordan doesn’t seem ready for marriage …but what do I know??), I wish her well

Cheers!! Sue

Moved from the Epi 9 FS thread.

northernviewer wrote:I read a few posts upthread about Jordan getting a terrible F1 edit and I just wanted to chime in on that.  Ive only recently been spoiled and as i watched not knowing who was her F1 ( the F4 guys were sleuthed out, actually the F3 were) bit I didnt see Jordan as getting a terrible edit.  He wasnt my favorite guy...Luke is....but i didnt feel any dislike for him at all but i couldnt definitely see that Jojo was gaga over him and he was my guess for her F1 based on chemistry and my experience of how they edit the show.  Luke was my guess at next Bach based on his edit, as TPTB give the best edit by far to their next lead hopeful.  

I saw Jordans edit as them explaining how all the guys in the house were basically jealous of him due to who his brother is and Jordans own semi celebrity status.  Ive read lots of comments about how he has a hard time looking at her when hes talking and that means hes lying... I see it as a guy shy around the cameras ( yes I know he wants to be an actor but acting in front of a camera and revealing true feelings to a person youve just met is a little different IMO) and I know personally, it can be difficult looking someone in the eye when your nervous around someone youre attracted too.  

Im curious about one thing though.... When did most here start disliking him?  Was it immediately or did it happen gradually?  

I personally am lookng forward to see how they are post show and although i dont think theyll last in the long run, i do see a connection and wish them well.

@northernviewer
Personally, during sleuthing, looking through his IG, I didn't like him. He appeared too arrogant show offy to me. I watched a few short older vids of him, again, I didn't like him. Not my style. The fact that it was well known he was trying to get into broadcasting turned me off. He's not attractive to me, the way his bites his lower lip trying to be sexy is a huge turn off for me.

There are some amazing gifs s/caps in the Fan thread of them together which really show the connection. However there are also some that isn't "enough" for me. He's not really into her enough for my taste if that makes sense.

A lot of the times it appears he's trying too hard to fall for her. Some of his movements are awkward. The up against the wall move IMO was really awkward. IA it may be nerves, or he's uncomfortable in front of the cameras being affectionate.

I'm looking forward to seeing them ATFR, that tells us more than the heavily edited show.

Ga I agree so much about the up against the wall\bookshelf kisses. They are, to me, more awkward than sexy almost like Jojo might fall because she doesn't understand his intentions or something. I don't see the romance between them, I see a girl desperate for the cool guy who is only into her because she's the only chick at the party. Jojo clearly sees something I don't and I feel like I am waiting every episode to finally get them as a couple, also if Jojo could stop questioning him that might help me do the same. All my opinion.

I would not say I do not like him. I don't care one way or the other. 
He does remind me a bit of 1F with his hotdog ways.
 I don't see him as a bad boy unless that category primarily includes those boys 4-10. 
He reminds me of Draco Malfoy, a bit smarmy, a bit entitled(to what I can't imagine) and prone to temper tantrums when he does not get his way. JMO

However, with all that being said I think he was scripted, slated, off the record guaranteed to go far if he chose to grace our screen this season. So I can detach pretty easily. IMO He was as scripted as Ben, JoJo, and possibly Luke. No crime no foul.

I'd like to copy and paste @Kasha's sentiments . When one of the Raya girls said he texted them the same pic of his selfie in mirror, that really was a swarmy move. Like he's all that . I feel he knows he's a azz but he's trying to be a unicorn I don't need to explain why because those are my impressions and opinions.

I also feel Jojo traded ChadR in for a newer model. Same type, just newer.

I always had a soft spot for Malfoy, so maybe that's why Baddy just doesn't bother me.    

Then again, the fact that I don't have to be the one to deal with him, Jo does, probably helps too.  But since I've been making SCs of their dates for the fan thread, I feel like I see more reciprocation on his part.  And that was something that I felt was lacking in the beginning.  He's not overwhelming, all over her or OTT with it like Jo is towards him.  He's more subtle, laid back and easy going, but there's plenty of forehead kisses, hand kisses and then turning her hand towards his heart/chest, constant touching of some sort (even if she initiates, he responds) and he always seems to smile just before they kiss.  I actually find it kind of cute.  JMOAA

You've been hypnotized by Baddy, LB! You are under his spell!

I'm with NV, I don't think Jordan has had that bad of an edit nor do I dislike him. I like Wells and he had some nice things to say about Jordan. He's not my kind of guy but can see what Jojo sees in him (for her).

Jordan is most definitely not my cup of tea (physically and his overall vibe.) At all. But the one thing that I do have to give him credit for, is he speaks very well. Whenever he talks, he just sounds like he knows what he's talking about, intelligent, eloquent, articulate. I like that in a man. So kudos to him on that!

IMO.

Mommyof1 wrote:You've been hypnotized by Baddy, LB!   You are under his spell!  

I am?  Say it ain't so!  At least I've had plenty of good company along the way.  

I think for me, I try hard to not really judge the people I see while watching the show (unless it's Chad ) because in reality, most of it isn't reality.

I'm looking forward to seeing them post show. They both seem to be incredibly happy and they both seemed to be loved up. Jordan recently liked something on IG that was along the lines of not finding the perfect woman, but being the best and most perfect man you can be for the woman you love. Given how happy JoJo seems to be, he must be doing that for her. Whether it lasts six months, a year, or forever, any amount of happiness is worth it. IMO

albean99 wrote:I'm with NV, I don't think Jordan has had that bad of an edit nor do I dislike him. I like Wells and he had some nice things to say about Jordan. He's not my kind of guy but can see what Jojo sees in him (for her).

Ive been paying attention to all the post show interviews by guys that knew him in the house too and the commnets are positive not negative ...and they even know he cant get them any Packer tickets