Ashley I - BIP - Season 3 - Discussion

Amanda confirmed that Ashley is telling the truth
https://mobile.twitter.com/bkoger8313/status/771528149565833216/photo/1

^^ Frankly, don't really care any more. Only have to get through Monday and Tuesday and hopefully Ashley I will be gone off our TV screens.....forever. JMHO.

And again, this is a conversation that Amanda is recalling with Caila. And then Ashley is retelling what she heard from Amanda. Did Caila just say she wasn't 100% interested in Jared? And why does this mean she wasn't interested in Jared AT ALL? Why would Caila bother dating him for 6 weeks, not let people photograph them, and then break up before it would've actually been apparently beneficial? Why leave the show if all Caila was interested in was getting engaged? At this point how does it even begin to justify the way Ashley has behaved on the show and off-screen?

Even if everything is exactly as was stated, why is this an excuse for Ashley to have bullied Caila? Jared is a grown man who knew that Caila wasn't as interested in him as he was in her. He said this on the show. He still decided that he wanted to pursue something with her. If Caila's biggest offence is that she didn't like him as much then I am still struggling to see why Ashley should get a free pass for the horrific things she's said and done. All JMO.

Edit: Interesting that Amanda is defending Ashley but Amanda's opinion of Caila didn't stop her tweeting her or watching her snapchat stories as recently as two weeks ago.


source: my screenshot

I wonder how much crying and biotching Trashley did to the Duhhh to get her to defend her. What a rattlesnake pit they live in.

The issue is not whether or not AI was lying re. having heard about these so called scandalous statements. It's that they are all behaving like cruel assholes on screen and off.  All over a juvenile game of telephone  where the initial statements could very well have been taken out of context & misinterpreted. There is no way of knowing for sure unless a third party with no allegiance to either side can view footage of this, but that apparently does not exist. 

If Caila had said that she wanted to kick puppies, that would be an irrefutably horrible statement. Of the two things they are crucifying her for, one could be drastically different in meaning with different punctuation interpretation & the other is simply a blunt take  on a reality that the majority of couples in this franchise have experienced - which also could take on different meanings depending on tone and context. 

The only things we know FOR SURE are: 
1) AI had been a vindictive, jealous butch who called other women "whores" and "hookers" (not to mention what she said last year about Clare's "eggs [being] dead") on camera. So imagine the even more vile things she could have said off camera.
2) AI & the mean clique have been complete assholes re. Caila on SM, piling on, retweeting, generally being horrible with a herd mentality 
 
It's also quite pathetic that AI felt the need to throw in that Nick, "your next Bachelor", said she did the right thing ... as if his opinion should be regarded as superior because he's the almighty Bachelor ... Gmadb 

Oh our next Bachelor said she did the right thing? Well obviously that changes everything for me. No way could he ever be wrong.

^^^ Exactly @TheWrongReasons. All of this has become a distraction from the actual reality that Ashley and co have been bullying Caila. And this isn't about an edit, it's about what Ashley and her mean clique have been doing in real life since the show stopped filming.

I can't believe that there are people who are willing to overlook all of the absolutely awful things Ashley has said and done because Caila may or may not have said she wasn't into Jared. That somehow if Ashley thought Caila didn't really like Jared it somehow makes her actions understandable. How? All of these people IMO are enabling a bully to continue behaving the way she has been. People have jumped on this as though these were the receipts they were waiting for. All I've seen is a retelling of a conversation that could easily have been misconstrued, and which didn't actually say anything that Jared didn't already know. All JMO.

bluwavz wrote:Oh our next Bachelor said she did the right thing? Well obviously that changes everything for me. No way could he ever be wrong.  

Exactly. Just because Nick says so ... I should just believe it? ... Nah ... as I believed my own values when judging Nick (and deciding to like him) ... I'm judging Ashley's attitude just the same ... and I don't like it. Good news for her - she doesn't need to care. Enough was said.

I call BS that Ashley is over Jared -- she might say that publicly, but privately it is a different story. I know that she has to be happy that Jared and Caila are no longer dating. I would not be surprised if more is heard about Jared and Ashley even if she lives in LA now.

siena wrote:
I can't believe that there are people who are willing to overlook all of the absolutely awful things Ashley has said and done because Caila may or may not have said she wasn't into Jared.

It's not as simple as saying she wasn't into Jared. It was more like saying she wouldn't mind faking a relationship for TV and then backing out three months later. She's a flake and indecisive. This agrees with her personality. She may be very nice and sweet, but she's completely flaky and wishy washy.

She may have continued her relationship with Jared after the show, despite being so wishy washy about it on the show. Then perhaps finally Jared realized that she's wishy washy and dumps her. He couldn't get over the things she said during the show.

It's Caila's fault she and Jared aren't together, not AI's. AI just had big mouth input, but Caila's mouth did it to herself. And IMO, it just didn't sink in for Jared til he began to see how flaky she was in real life over 6 weeks or so.

IWouldMarryAshleyI wrote:

siena wrote:
I can't believe that there are people who are willing to overlook all of the absolutely awful things Ashley has said and done because Caila may or may not have said she wasn't into Jared.  

It's not as simple as saying she wasn't into Jared. It was more like saying she wouldn't mind faking a relationship for TV and then backing out three months later. She's a flake and indecisive. This agrees with her personality. She may be very nice and sweet, but she's completely flaky and wishy washy.

She may have continued her relationship with Jared after the show, despite being so wishy washy about it on the show. Then perhaps finally Jared realized that she's wishy washy and dumps her. He couldn't get over the things she said during the show.

It's Caila's fault she and Jared aren't together, not AI's. AI just had big mouth input, but Caila's mouth did it to herself. And IMO, it just didn't sink in for Jared til he began to see how flaky she was in real life over 6 weeks or so.

In my view it is Jared's fault. He has been two timing those girls. You can not be texting and going on vacation with one girl and taking the other girl home to see your parents... Both girls will feel insecure. Wrong Jared this is just wrong.

Everyone knows that AI is an emotionally vomitus person. They also know that neither of those three women are prostitutes, whores, or hookers (and it probably wouldn't matter if they were). Neither of those three women are yelling about feeling intimidated by those untrue words. It's just the fact that AI has said those bad words, with her big uncontrollable mouth, means that people cannot look beyond that one point to see she might be telling the truth about Caila's flakiness and lack of interest (saying she'd be willing to fake a relationship for TV).