Bachelor Australia - Season 4 - Richie Strahan - F1-F6 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

I wouldn't mind seeing Olena as the next Bette, they don't have to all be the same extroverted and outgoing types so it will be nice to watch someone a bit different, Olena has this mysterious aura about her that I know the men will absolutely love.

AllAboutLove wrote:

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Everything about Olena's edit, that she has never been in love, that she didn't go on the show for Richie since she didn't even know who he was, that she has walls up, etc, makes me think that she was casted for a reason other than Richie.

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I think if Olena is F2 (which I think she is) then she was put in that spot purposefully to be the possible next Bette because I think that position would make the audience want her to be Bette even more. The "guarded girl who lets down her walls to only be rejected?" Totally a Bette edit for next lead, imo.

IMO, this is very possible. To me, she seems like someone in this seaosn to test the water. She may be pretty, and very "exotic", which audience may find her attractive, but the reason I don't like watching her in this season is that I don't feel like she's "there", you know what I mean? That's why I said earlier, she's very cold and standoffish, and more like she's there to observe how it works.

Olena reminds me of Sam.
Remember how Sam was so insecure and constantly needed re assurance then all of a sudden such a shy girl became the bette and she actually killed it?! (sam has changed so much since the premier of bachs2) I think Olena being the lead will change her aswell since she won't be a contestant anymore. Things change when you become the lead.

OK, so I'm drawn to this board even if I can't follow the show attentively. About Nikki vs. Olena ... if I follow my prediction that Olena is F1, then I say that she was his F1 all along (as always) but the "edit" makes it look like Nikki had it first and Olena came as a surprise later.

The one reason that gives me this impression is that Nikki's relationship with Richie we see through her eyes (there are her expressions that move people and her perspective been shown) ... while his relationship with Olena we see through his (there are his frustrations of her not being open enough with him and his expressions looking at her).

happygolucky wrote:OK, so I'm drawn to this board even if I can't follow the show attentively. About Nikki vs. Olena ... if I follow my prediction that Olena is F1, then I say that she was his F1 all along (as always) but the "edit" makes it look like Nikki had it first and Olena came as a surprise later.

The one reason that gives me this impression is that Nikki's relationship with Richie we see through her eyes (there are her expressions that move people and her perspective been shown) ... while his relationship with Olena we see through his (there are his frustrations of her not being open enough with him and his expressions looking at her).

What matters is who the bach is in love with not who is in love with the bach. The clues come from the bach.

happygolucky wrote:OK, so I'm drawn to this board even if I can't follow the show attentively. About Nikki vs. Olena ... if I follow my prediction that Olena is F1, then I say that she was his F1 all along (as always) but the "edit" makes it look like Nikki had it first and Olena came as a surprise later.  

The one reason that gives me this impression is that Nikki's relationship with Richie we see through her eyes (there are her expressions that move people and her perspective been shown) ... while his relationship with Olena we see through his (there are his frustrations of her not being open enough with him and his expressions looking at her).

Yes, ITA. I also think the audience obviously have found it easy to fall in love with Nikki because she's been so open and vulnerable to Richie and in her ITMs. She would actually make a great 'Ette.

mslat92 wrote:

happygolucky wrote:OK, so I'm drawn to this board even if I can't follow the show attentively. About Nikki vs. Olena ... if I follow my prediction that Olena is F1, then I say that she was his F1 all along (as always) but the "edit" makes it look like Nikki had it first and Olena came as a surprise later.  

The one reason that gives me this impression is that Nikki's relationship with Richie we see through her eyes (there are her expressions that move people and her perspective been shown) ... while his relationship with Olena we see through his (there are his frustrations of her not being open enough with him and his expressions looking at her).

Yes, ITA. I also think the audience obviously have found it easy to fall in love with Nikki because she's been so open and vulnerable to Richie and in her ITMs. She would actually make a great 'Ette.

IA - Nikki would be a great bette because she is open to falling in love and not scared to kiss the guy wherever whenever

I think Nikki will be a great match for Richie even more than being a Bette as I think she is F1 and will be shocked if she isn't as I think Richie was taken with her day one.

I have been hopeful that Richie will find a great match since I have been a huge Richie fan and following him closely this past year and I thought she might be a good match when sleuthing her when filming started back in March and so far I like her even more from on the show.

My biggest hope for Richie was that he would find someone special and someone who loves him and will show it and be proud to be with him. I think Nikki has been classy on the show and caring and seems to have the most feelings for Richie and I genuinely think she is falling for him. I love Faith too and she is my fave but I think Nikki is better suited for Richie. I don't see a connection with Rachael or Alex outside of some physical stuff which seems to be more producer driven imo and with Olena I would worry if she ends up F1 as I don't think she is match for Richie. I am sure all the girls are lovely in real life but based on following Richie and who he seems to be, Nikki seems like the best match longterm to me.

AllAboutLove wrote:I think Nikki will be a great match for Richie even more than being a Bette as I think she is F1 and will be shocked if she isn't as I think Richie was taken with her day one.

I have been hopeful that Richie will find a great match since I have been a huge Richie fan and following him closely this past year and I thought she might be a good match when sleuthing her when filming started back in March and so far I like her even more from on the show.

My biggest hope for Richie was that he would find someone special and someone who loves him and will show it and be proud to be with him. I think Nikki has been classy on the show and caring and seems to have the most feelings for Richie and I genuinely think she is falling for him. I love Faith too and she is my fave but I think Nikki is better suited for Richie. I don't see a connection with Rachael or Alex outside of some physical stuff which seems to be more producer driven imo and with Olena I would worry if she ends up F1 as I don't think she is match for Richie. I am sure all the girls are lovely in real life but based on following Richie and who he seems to be, Nikki seems like the best match longterm to me.

Beautifully put @AAL I really don't want to see Nikki or Olena or even alex for that matter heartbroken but especially Nikki because she seems the most invested and open with him..it will be gut renching to watch ...like Ben with jojo that was hard to see...f2 is the worst position for any of th girls -imo

F2 position definitely sucks no matter who is F2. Unfortunately there is always a F2 and it is the show and the risk they all take. I won't be surprised though if Richie shows lots of empathy to whomever has to be F3, F2, etc (and for all we know it could be producer driven who goes in that spot and even maybe because they get to be in the running for Bette) so I would expect him to be very caring and empathetic to whomever is let go.

That being said, no matter where any of the girls end up (whether F5-F1) I personally think that any of these girls will be lucky to end up with Richie and if not F1 they will be lucky to find someone like him.

After watching all the episodes I'm even more convinced F1 is Olena. Since we don't have the "intruders doubt", like we had with Lana in SamW's season, I'll try to explain the edit similarities:
I would go as far and say that Nikki has the role-mix of what Sarah and Lana were. To explain: Sarah was the less confident in their relationship, even if she is a confident girl/woman in her own right (much like Nikki), but she didn't open her heart "enough" and so she ended being F3 (she had the 1st 1on1 date)... Lana was the one who jumped into the relationship, because of the circumstances arriving so late and was swirled into "bubble love", where she seemed perfect for Richie (even with the family, friends) and she was F2.
Richie gave Nikki on their 1st date a nudge "to open up" and let the heart speak ... and so she went that road ... so there's the mix that leads me to believe she will be the heartbroken F2.

In comparison to SamF's season, where Sasha had the 1st entrance, the obvious "alone time" (CP, SD) and  kisses and obvious strong feelings for the lead ... the lead herself was smitten with him from the night 1.

Megan who I saw as "Richie's person" in the house on the night 1 was the "Heather" of this season, meaning friend-zoned (mutual this time), that instant connection on the personal level of comfort and recognizing each other in the other ... but she was given a date pretty soon (3rd epi) so she figured it out while still clear minded and walked away herself (it was obvious she was pulling back in the episodes before the exit). She is also the one who identified the women Richie would be interested in: Nikki and Olena.

Megan also thought Richie would give Olena the white rose ... because that rose meant to the girls, who Richie was most interested in - who he had best connection with ... but as we know, the white rose is induced by producers and it went to the unfortunate Alex. Alex in terms of examples from Sam's season would be a mix of Lana, Emily and Heather. Meaning, she was flirtatious, dreaming of a perfect connection (that wasn't real) like Emily, she jumped into the relationship (with the reassurance of the Wrose) like Lana and she had her insecurities played out as Heather, only that those feelings took the better part away.

Faith (who happens to be my fave, but not for Richie) is the neutral girl (everyone's)... she is "friendly and bubbly and just overly cool" like Nina (F5) was, but in the light of a "negative/judgmental voice" (that Nina displayed especially towards the end) in the house I see Rachel better fitting. The only intruder that could mix the cards of the last 2 is Steph ... so I have no idea which roles/positions are theirs.

Now, what I notice about Olena F1 edit similarities with some other F1 roles is that her connection with Richie is not hidden. It is shown to us, but not in our faces shown.
The arrival ... we see him gush about her, he is smitten (just like SamW with Snez, like Tim with Anna, like Art with Matty, or SamF with Sasha) ... we hear her being "surprised" by him with that "oh sh*t" moment (like Snez was with Sam - forgetting his name (and her name was a topic during their getting to know each other), like Anna was with Tim - having the red lipstick on the teeth situation (that put her "down and personal" despite her unemotional predisposition to the matters of the heart)). Then the alone time at CP ... he wanted to speak to her (like all the previous leads with their F1) ... but she interrupted him when he was with the girl (Megan) whom he wanted to give 2nd rose to (awkward for Richie) ... so to make sure that Olena wouldn't misunderstand his interest, he told her to give him time and he would come to her ... and she never questioned herself or their connection over the other girls' ... that's the confidence edit that they give to F1 always. Also F1 usually displays a slight jealousy (to show the audience that F1 is invested, like certain stare Olena gave during 1 CP or like Snez once made a face) but it's never a theme with the focus on (and gives the F1 positive, happy face edit).

Also the F1 edit has a thread throughout the season. That cord later turns into a doubt, but it's a theme of their connection that presents the ending. With SamW & Snez it was her being a woman (lover) vs a mother, which manifested itself in Sam's obvious physical attraction/approach towards her and the understanding/pronouncing her name "snow white" (presenting far away culture - city) leaded to doubt whether there could be a future for them. With Tim & Anna it was her cool approach that made things easier for Tim at the beginning, but turned into a problem of whether she would ever warm up and express her feelings to him. With Olena it's the "eye-attack deep into one's soul" that immediately connects them... both say it, she on the 1st night, he during their 1st date ... "will it be a love at 1st sight?" ... but eventually the problem arises, that mystery that comes with it of her not opening up. The problem is usually the smoke, since it's not a problem at all, because no matter what, the chosen one is already a F1 in the lead's mind. It's only a representation of the fear. Fear because the stakes are high, especially when the lead has a "perfect option" on the other hand.

I hear what you're saying Happy Go Lucky but I just don't kmow if Olena is at the same stage of life as Richie to be F1, where as Nikki is JMO