Bachelor Australia - Season 4 - Richie Strahan - F1-F6 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

Correct me if I'm wrong ... but there's another similar "distinction" that reminds me of Jojo's edit ... when Richie talks about seeing a future ... with Nikki he uses word "could" (2nd SD) ... with Olena "can" (STD).

Dirty Street Pie wrote:

BedHead wrote:

natik wrote:Guys just a reminder it was stated that Richie had an emotional rose ceremony before going to Bali, who the hell could that be?! We know it's not Olena, we know it's not Alex (the boat girl IMO is Alex), he wouldn't be that emotional if it was Rachael. Soooo.....

They gave us in the preview the F3 girls (like they did it with Sam W. season) It´s Rachael, Alex and Olena. You tend to forget that in doubt the preview screencaps tell the story. It`s like the last season all over again. Heather was running out of Screencaps but only a few wanted to listen. IMO

I agree, in my opinion, Nikki is F4. I see no deep connection between Nikki and Richie. I see kindness, tenderness, relaxation, the beginning of a friendship; but I do not see romance, fire, passion, profound love, and adventure. I don't really think we know Nikki well either. IMO she is very different from Richie.

I think F1 will be either Olena or Alex; but most likely Olena, I want her to win; but I would not be surprised if Alex won. Richie is taking Alex to the HTD, that certainly means something. If he didn't feel very attracted to her, he would eliminate her before the HTDs, this is JMO

At this point though, I really struggle to see Nikki going out at F4. The Bachelor is not Survivor. There are no blindsides. From all of the series I've watched, I really can't think of a rose ceremony where I was shocked by the outcome. IMO, if Nikki was out at F4, we would already be seeing some red flags. The audience doesn't really like surprises, so unless things start to go wrong for her on the camping trip, and then go horribly south on her hometown visit, it won't be believable for her to go out at F4.

Of course this is all just IMO, and I've certainly been wrong before  

Last year in SamW season many of the viewers were blindsided when Heather went home at F4 as she asked him not to take her to Hometowns if not serious. Many on this forum may have sleuthed otherwise (as with Nikki) however the general public thought Heather was clearly the favourite. JMO

Sorry for double post but forgot to mention that CP after HTV is meant to be emotional and dramatic. Don't feel this would be the case for Rachael however Alex/Nikki certainly.

Loulou .. I agree there was a surprise with Heather ... but there was Lana to substitute her ... this time there's no "Lana" for Nikki, that's why I don't believe "we" lose Nikki before the finale, she's the strongest opponent to Olena. Alex and Rachael can't be that because most people are already writing them out.

Loulou wrote:

Dirty Street Pie wrote:


At this point though, I really struggle to see Nikki going out at F4. The Bachelor is not Survivor. There are no blindsides. From all of the series I've watched, I really can't think of a rose ceremony where I was shocked by the outcome. IMO, if Nikki was out at F4, we would already be seeing some red flags. The audience doesn't really like surprises, so unless things start to go wrong for her on the camping trip, and then go horribly south on her hometown visit, it won't be believable for her to go out at F4.

Of course this is all just IMO, and I've certainly been wrong before  

Last year in SamW season many of the viewers were blindsided when Heather went home at F4 as she asked him not to take her to Hometowns if not serious.  Many on this forum may have sleuthed otherwise (as with Nikki) however the general public thought Heather was clearly the favourite.  JMO

That is true actually, I forget because I was reading along here that a lot of the general audience were blindsided when she went, because everyone here had realised that she had run out of screen caps after hometowns, but the signs were there, her F5 mini date was a little stilted, and her hometown was very uncomfortable, so unless the same thing happens for Nikki, I can't see her going at F4, IMO.

Ok just going to put my two cents in here. iMO the F1 always has one particular issue. Walls up because they are in a sh**ty situation where the person (bachie/ette) is dating several other people and they don't want to get hurt if they open up or there is a condition for them to open up.

The F1 IMO isn't the one that's been cheated on or is very willing to open up but Is scared to say I LoVe You (Anna, Sasha, Lauren B) or it's usually said on a condition. Snez's condition was Eve's approval, Frosty for Blakes was families approval. Nikki doesn't have any of that she is very willing to open up IMo, Alex and Rachel are also very willing to open up. There is no arc or story there for people to follow just compatibility based on location and family in Nikkis situation IMO. Her story would have been very different if she is F1. They would have played up her leaving her longtime boyfriend, her heart was broken she didn't want to say I Love you in fear. There has been none of that. IMO she has been far too forward and open with her emotions for the F1. Also generally speaking you don't know a crap load about the F1 until near or Htd, I knew nothing about Lauren B but we knew a crap load about JoJo within the first couple of eps. We knew a lot about Heather, her back story came out the first date like Nikki, this IMO shows the compatibility that everyone sees as the "perfect match" but the physical/ emotional chemistry that can't be explained isn't there and generally speaking the compatibility is hard to see (Snez, Frosty, Anna, Sasha, Catherine Giudici, and the list goes on). Snez is an example of that. Wouldn't have bet on it on paper, but anyone like myself that saw that instant chemistry and heard the audio cues from Sam, you knew from the first date she was the F1 IMo. My thoughts at the moment are Nikki F4, Alex F2/3, Rachel F2/3 Olena F1. It's a toss up for me who F2/3 are Alex or Rachel. I'm guessing Alex just based on her terrible edit so people aren't upset she is F2 but there is still that doubt for people that he may pick her because of the physical chemistry they have but besides her having a child there is no hurdle or condition to her saying I love you as she is more than willing. I also think the Bachelorettes are edited a little differently IMO [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] can probably explain that more.

Now I Know some will say Sarah in Sam W season had a hard time opening up, but they had compatibility, same state, lived a couple of suburbs away, similar family background he even said "it would be so easy" but no chemistry. Lisa from Blakes she was a weird one IMo but mind you seeing that they hadn't finished filming that season when it aired I don't know if they knew how to edit it. But even then IMo she found it hard to open up, but the compatibility was still there. He said it was easy with her, comfortable. Looking back I should have known he fell in love with Louise as Blake described what she was wearing on their first date. If the Bachelor describes what the girl is wearing in some detail, That's always a clue by the way Becausw that girl made a lasting impression on them in that moment that they remember. IMo guys who haven't had that love at first sight moment wouldn't remember diddly squat about what the girl is wearing. Of course this is just my opinion. I'm returning to my bachie cave now and will give some feedback on Thursday. I swear I need a batman emoji for everytime I appear randomly in a thread.

happygolucky wrote:Loulou .. I agree there was a surprise with Heather ... but there was Lana to substitute her ... this time there's no "Lana" for Nikki, that's why I don't believe "we" lose Nikki before the finale, she's the strongest opponent to Olena. Alex and Rachael can't be that because most people are already writing them out.

I agree with this, the edit has painted Rachael as the villian and Alex as a 'stage 5 clinger'. Social media is not kind to either of them, and I don't think they could realistically make either of them a believable option for the F1 position. Nikki vs Olena is the only way they will get a finale that will keep people guessing.

happygolucky wrote:Loulou .. I agree there was a surprise with Heather ... but there was Lana to substitute her ... this time there's no "Lana" for Nikki, that's why I don't believe "we" lose Nikki before the finale, she's the strongest opponent to Olena. Alex and Rachael can't be that because most people are already writing them out.

Understand what you are saying and agree that Lana took Heathers place in SamW's affections but the viewers IMO did not like Lana. Heather, like Nikki opened up early, as previously mentioned by others, and Heather was fun and did a lot of the narrating. I felt, like many viewers, the show was not the same after she left. JMO Plus like I stated Ep 13 must be significant as per media statements.

The viewers didn't like Lana as much as Heather, but they "bought" the connection edit. People were placing her in front of Sarah (where connection/chemistry was obviously lacking) and so when she was in F2 it was believable that Sam could possibly choose her. Nobody would believe Richie choosing Alex or Rachael over Olena if that would be the case of the finale. It would be a given F1 then. With Nikki in the game the question/doubt remains till the sunset. -all JMO.

I wanted to go through the preview again to see which scene have been associated with the voice over in order to see how this can match some of your stories theories, but before I do that, can someone please remind me if this has already been done? If so where can I find it and bring it over?

I know this is AAL speciality so maybe it has been done by her?

happygolucky wrote:The viewers didn't like Lana as much as Heather, but they "bought" the connection edit. People were placing her in front of Sarah (where connection/chemistry was obviously lacking) and so when she was in F2 it was believable that Sam could possibly choose her. Nobody would believe Richie choosing Alex or Rachael over Olena if that would be the case of the finale. It would be a given F1 then. With Nikki in the game the question/doubt remains till the sunset. -all JMO.

Edit can completely change though. If they want to make any F2 seems like a contender by the end, they would.
We've seen that with Jordan and Naz.
She started worst than any of Richie's girl in term of villain edit and by the end, half of the viewers were rooting for her because they showed us a connection.
I must say that Jordan and Fleur relationship wasn't that hard to beat but she still got the F1 edit all the way and still, Naz seemed like the F1.

So anything can still happen.

There are extended promo voice overs in the screencaps no discussion thread if that is what you are after