The Bachelorette 12 - JoJo Fletcher - S/Caps - SM - Sleuthing - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* #2

SueSt wrote:

Columbia, MD wrote:Wake me when it's over.  In the meantime, I'm going back to the word games.  LOL.

Hurray for the games!!!

The way I see it is that there is no question that Jojo is now with Jordan. I think the question that HEA is trying to resolve is whether Jojo initially rejected Jordan at the FRC; then later decided that she could not live without him and reached out to him. IMO, that would explain the SCs that HEA is trying to resolve. JMOAA

What I see is solo footage that is often taken with the leads. Perhaps that is what the film suggests --ending up alone, but in my case it fell on flat ears as I found nothing to support that.

Regarding a sunset pic of the couple , didn't Matt Grant and Shayne Lamas have one released before the finale ?

IMO no way would MF let the 'ette season end without a proposal. Besides, it was very clear to me JoJo and Jordan fell for each other very quickly.

HEA wrote:sure. i do not contest SM is important but is is IMO part of a whole.
sometimes new elements show up (me recall the kid picture on Brad fridge) that turned around some ending and I recall that infamous was wrong on that season. So until the AFTR when she declares her undying love to Jordan, I am still having fun to see a possible different ending.

JMO

During Brad's season, there were many that felt Emily was the F1. Those that felt that due to edit, music, inside info, and all the other sleuthing that went on, worked hard and found the icing on the cake. I'm sorry I should remember who noticed fridge-gate.

During Ali's season when RS stated she was single, or with Chris or whatever he said, sleuthing continued with proof. The final proof Roberto's license was transferred from South Carolina to L.A. which was found by a sleuther.

There has been no proof that she did not accept the F1 proposal IMO. Like I said, I would like sleuthed info to that effect.

But Jo's first like after resurfacing and returning to SM was about a happy, loving relationship or something positive along those lines.  

@alanna, @ash2214 or someone that has followed her closely help me out here, please, on the exact details. Thanks!  

So, if she rejected him at any point that day, it's resolved quickly, like same day... So he'd still be F1, she would not end up alone, IMO.  Because it'd all have to have been resolved by the time she left Thailand.  That's the only way I can see an explaination of her SM behavior and RS knowing she was engaged of Jordan.  JMO

Ladybug82 wrote:But Jo's first like after resurfacing and returning to SM was about a happy, loving relationship or something positive along those lines.  

@alanna, @ash2214 or someone that has followed her closely help me out here, please, on the exact details. Thanks!  

So, if she rejected him at any point that day, it's resolved quickly, like same day... So he'd still be F1, she would not end up alone, IMO.  Because it'd all have to have been resolved by the time she left Thailand.  That's the only way I can see an explaination of her SM behavior and RS knowing she was engaged of Jordan.  JMO

Her first like was all about feeling completely safe and a woman's walls becoming avenues of trust and devotion with the right man. Very obvious to me from day 1 that she'd never trust BBJ if they didn't leave the show together from the moment the frc was over, so I don't see how anything other than BBJ f1 starting from frc is possible. Jmo.

GuardianAngel wrote:IMO no way would MF let the 'ette season end without a proposal. Besides, it was very clear to me JoJo and Jordan fell for each other very quickly.

HEA wrote:sure. i do not contest SM is important but is is IMO part of a whole.
sometimes new elements show up (me recall the kid picture on Brad fridge) that turned around some ending and I recall that infamous was wrong on that season. So until the AFTR when she declares her undying love to Jordan, I am still having fun to see a possible different ending.

JMO

During Brad's season, there were many that felt Emily was the F1. Those that felt that due to edit, music, inside info, and all the other sleuthing that went on, worked hard and found the icing on the cake. I'm sorry I should remember who noticed fridge-gate.

During Ali's season when RS stated she was single, or with Chris or whatever he said, sleuthing continued with proof. The final proof Roberto's license was transferred from South Carolina to L.A. which was found by a sleuther.

There has been no proof that she did not accept the F1 proposal IMO. Like I said, I would like sleuthed info to that effect.

Fridgegate!! Was it Reason that discovered that little gem?

^^ I thought it was MiniDiva.

I seriously doubt there will be any surprises tomorrow, but it is true that the sunset stroll with her wearing the mystery bracelet doesn't fit in anywhere. That cap looks later than Jordan's, so IDK why it's there.

2observe wrote:The way I see it is that there is no question that Jojo is now with Jordan.  I think the question that HEA is trying to resolve is whether Jojo initially rejected Jordan at the FRC; then later decided that she could not live without him and reached out to him.  IMO, that would explain the SCs that HEA is trying to resolve.  JMOAA

That is exactly that.  
Thank you for resuming and expressing better than I obviously can.

grace8136 wrote:^^ I thought it was MiniDiva.

I seriously doubt there will be any surprises tomorrow, but it is true that the sunset stroll with her wearing the mystery bracelet doesn't fit in anywhere. That cap looks later than Jordan's, so IDK why it's there.

indeed


For me they insisted way too much on 'torn' 'loving 2 men' 'scared to let him go' 'found love in a man that will not...' At this point, she should be extremely confident who is her F1 and excited for his proposal. yet she cries fountain. For me it resumes on those words. She trusted her gut at that time (FRC) and maybe picked nobody. All my sunset sleuthing is just trying to  see if she ended alone at the FRC. However, once back in US tarmac, she was too 'scared to let him go' and she went after him (Jordan). That is pretty much one of the scenario I suspect for a while now: noone with a twist of dating him after FRC (and a live proposal at AFTR). I think prods did not care one way or another if she stayed single or not since they got their FRC drama taped. win-win situation whatever she was still with him at the AFTR or not, they'll have their ratings/$$. How long she dated jordan, IF she dated jordan even. I have no idea. I am only interested about the FRC.

This is my opinion. I was raised to believe it is okay to think differently and have a different opinion even if I am in the minority. I respect everyone's opinion here and I do not claim by any means that I am right. I am just not convinced of a traditional FRC because I see sunset segments that do not fit the usual ending. Maybe they means nothing indeed, maybe not.

I am more than ready to watch the finale tomorrow

I might agree with you if it were not for the preview of Jordan picking out a ring. He seems happy, confident, and excited about JoJo. And if he asked her to marry him she would not say no!

Mgrissom wrote:I might agree with you if it were not for the preview of Jordan picking out a ring. He seems happy, confident, and excited about JoJo. And if he asked her to marry him she would not say no!

but her family was obviously not that convinced he was the right fit and even said that robby was. Jojo said multiple times that her family is very important. I think if she was emotionally torn and exhausted, she may have decided something that under normal circumstances she would have jump to say yes. This is why I envision a possible dating after the FRC. She may have been more 'herself' and less under pressure to decide what she truly wanted.

Most will not see it as a clue and this is fine but for me when she said at Live with Kelly that it is typical to say goodbye to one or to two. this was for me the first key that made me doubt, then the sunset that fit nowhere.