The Bachelorette - Season 12 - JoJo Fletcher - General Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #3

2observe wrote:

HEA wrote:

2observe wrote:To me, Jojo just seems too OTT with Jordan, although she seems a bit OTT with Robby as well, which seems really fake to me.  

Sorry what does it mean OTT please

Over The Top

 thank you


Fleiss twitter

You are doing a more thorough job with this season than I am, HEA. I only started studying this past weekend and playing catch up.

What is funny about this is that I was just assuming Jordan was F1, not because of any spoilers but because his relationship was so in-my-face. Usually the F1 is NOT in-your-face, but SOMETIMES they are like Kaitlyn/Shawn (only they threw us Nick to sidetrack us).

Aunties_Love put me on the Robby analysis, since I had been ignoring him. I did think the pool table session was "spicy". Yet she also looked uncomfortable there AND I thought it was too "OTT" as well. Like all of those close-ups of Emily/Arie. Also Kaitlyn and Jared on the bed making out. My biggest problem is that Robby sounds so wooden in his ITMs. Is he really falling in love with her or just reading cue cards? He may just be shy and awkward on screen. Except in that promo shot of him prancing through a hall way in his underoos like he's ready to go swimming, he certainly isn't shy about some things on screen.

Because I wasn't feeling IT with Robby, I temporarily went back to Jordan.

Then Moonchild sent me a PM asking a bunch of questions regarding Luke, including the Trista/Ryan Guitar Rift that I did mention in an earlier post but didn't take seriously at first.

Suddenly the whole Luke situation mushroomed in front of my eyes. Here I was poking fun of the guy earlier. I am ssssooooo bad.

Bottom line: *me thinks* that either Luke is F1 (and you know fully well that Fleiss & Co. can easily fool the sleuthers if they want to and have Jimmy Kimmel go along with the Jordan as F1 smokescreen so that Chad can't find him and beat him up) or he's the next Bachelor. Being Bachelor would make sense if he makes it to the top 3, as I am guessing he does. (I also think Chase is just an "extra man" this season, probably F4.) I sensed that Fleiss wanted Jubilee for Bachelorette because she was both darker toned (and they need more racial diversification for this show) and a war veteran with a fascinating orphan back story. Yet there was too much conflict between her and the other ladies, so Jo-Jo the Shrink (everybody brought their sob stories to her last season) got the role. Luke would at least satisfy the war veteran role if he's the lead.

You do realize that Fleiss' tweet coincides with Jo-Jo's cccrrrraaaaayyyyzzzzeee talk of her "physical connection" with Luke. He also tweeted that the "romance would begin" just before episode 5 of Desiree's season (Munich with Chris Siegfried). Then again, Luke already had a solo date before so I am not sure why the romance wasn't there too. Maybe because they cut out all of the HEAT in previous episodes and decided to give us an UNCENSORED episode tonight that will have viewers asking "Wow... we didn't see THIS coming..."?

If JoJo really likes someone, she becomes clingy, she has said. Explains the OTT pretty well.

Lennoxcolinrolland wrote:If JoJo really likes someone, she becomes clingy, she has said. Explains the OTT pretty well.

And she seems to choose men that aren't naturally that sensitive or willing to give her the ott affection she needs, making her push harder for it, becoming clingier, and the cycle feeds itself. Jmo.

Alanna wrote:

Lennoxcolinrolland wrote:If JoJo really likes someone, she becomes clingy, she has said. Explains the OTT pretty well.

And she seems to choose men that aren't naturally that sensitive or willing to give her the ott affection she needs, making her push harder for it, becoming clingier, and the cycle feeds itself. Jmo.

Don't remind me

Is Jordan the only one to get 2 1-1 dates?

Max64 wrote:Is Jordan the only one to get 2 1-1 dates?

Didn't Luke get 2 too?

Lennoxcolinrolland wrote:

Max64 wrote:Is Jordan the only one to get 2 1-1 dates?

Didn't Luke get 2 too?

Guessing Luke, but it could be Chase or James T on the private plane date.

you know what makes me cringe @JBF?

the way jojo seems to be all over jordan, begging her to tell he is falling in love for her. it is not a guy chasing a woman. it is a woman chasing one man when she should be the hunter not the prey in this context of being the ette with a harem of guys.

I would not mind much if the guy was a 'good' guy but the edits shows us an alleged cheater and a guy who did not come for the right reasons, but for fame and fortune. Not only that but also part of a drama (chad), acting like a spoiled kid (pouting/drama in next ep: it is pathetic). I mean, so far it is truly hard to find anything attractive. His constant looks at the cameras do not help either.

F1 so far are edited as good guys, not bad boys. But it is true that IMO the prods are playing around jojo's fear: I had a taste of a good man (Ben) and I am always attracted to bad boys (ex chad), no more.

So it is disturbing that a Brooks, Bentley, Frank or Nick could finish F1. But we had our Ed with Jillian... it would not be an exception. But I remember well Jillian season, and I do not recall the prods editing him as a cheater or bad boy.

I think Jordan was front-runner from start and the other guys never had a chance. I think they met online as soon as she knew his name was out ('finally' I meet you at the limo entrance; 'you're looking good'). The fake quality time at first cocktail as if she did not know him with constant (both) looks back at the crew as if: are we ok? do you think the public will be convinced?... and the overall DONE DEAL impression. Not two people falling madly in love... the impression of a woman who will be 'ONCE AGAIN' in a bad relationship.

Did jordan fell in love with Jojo? who knows. Lets talk about it in one year. Did she like Luke enough to admire him and like him as a human person? sure! Enough that the prods had enough material to fill in the script. Robby? Lust. (Robby does not even hide that he kiss first and talk later on ITM) Chase? same as Luke minus lust. Both Robby and Chase gave her the ILY later and became good material for the script. Lets not forget the manipulation of the prods about this tabloid conveniently given after jordan's date when she was on top of the cloud 9.

Interesting that chase got this fake snow and the bubble play with jojo, both at cocktail parties... both requesting some help from the prods... Seeing jojo on chase laps on this false snow... was she tipsy or was it a play? She did not know the guy and she was already touching and on his laps?? I guess she is very good at puppy eyes and touching since she does it with every guys IMO

I think it was too late to change jojo. I think they had to build a script around Jordan (NFL dates). I think they knew his reputation even tho it is claimed they were the one chasing him. I think they were aware that none of the guy had a chance but Jordan.

my theory is that jordan did come for fame and fortune, gossips say that he wanted out F3 or F4 to get the next bach gig (what took him so long to sign his contract me wonder?) and maybe just maybe the prods found Luke way more interesting for the gig and jordan decided to finish F1 as no other choice? or..... and I hope for the girl, he did fall in love 'for real' (as kids say right?). Then we will probably see another one year on and off relationship unless his reputation becomes to much of a burden for jojo to do not see the liberty statue red flag size... or she just came herself for fame and fortune. I cannot wait september/october to read the headlines tabloids.  

Now... will they play the redemption card for the bad boy who found the love of his life? or is it all edits and smoke and she will find a good man at the end?

we shall see...

Here is another abc teaser jordan/jojo (another red flag? which size is it this one?) TEASER CLIP

(everything above is my opinion only, my own speculation and part of a conversation with mostly question marks in my mind. TY)

Oh I dunno... Remember Ashley clinging on to Bentley's legs as he walked out of her "home"? She only knew him for a few hours out of one week he was on her program! Already she was in love with him?!?

ALL of the Bachelorettes are edited to look ridiculous on screen. Heck, I am still not convinced Kaitlyn and Nick "did the deed" ON THE SHOW. My guess is that they fooled around pre-show and the story department needed some competition for Shawn... or test him to see how well he could withstand all of the pressure of his gal being a Naughty Gal. (Never under-estimate the endurance of a no-nonsense Taurus.)

I think this show is 50% reality and 50% TV "drama". The tabloid magazine was just another prop for The Story. It was conveniently published in English and prompt on arrival to the Uruguay suite.

The promos at the start of the season look optimistic. Just the mid-season one has all of the sobbing. This echoes Sean's season with that silly letter suggesting something shocking that wasn't.

Robby is a nice guy. He just is like Ben F. on Ashley's season. He is pretending... maybe even intellectually convincing himself... that he is "falling for" her. Also both guys brought wine out of the limo. Good thing about Robby is that he isn't trying to sell some on the show.

Jordan is one I could see as a future lead. He is attacked for the fame-and-fortune bit, but that is just Chad talking. I don't get that vibe necessarily. However he isn't very well edited. If F1, I don't have much confidence they will last.

I will watch Luke's footage tonight to see which way the wind is blowing.

here is another teaser @JBF

abc TEASER - JOJO/JORDAN  - ep6

Oh James, James, James. Go back to your guitar.

She is definitely losing interest in Jordan though. Ha ha!