NO SPOILERS - JORDAN - Bachelorette 12 - *Sleuthing - NO Spoilers*

Okay so here's another s/cap and the thing/rose is not in the same spot so it definitely seems like something she is holding.
Hmm... when I zoom in I am not sure it is a rose or something else like a large ring?  
Hard to tell for sure if a rose or not for me in this one and doesn't look very red? Also not sure as GA posted why JoJo would be holding the rose? It could be something else if not rose so I think I will see if I can try take a s/cap more clear unless someone posts one first.

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Regarding your question about this being South America or thailand, would he need a jacket in Thailand? It could be a fashion thing of course but I'm leaning towards S America because of the buildings/stairs.


So we have 2 distinct 1on1  dates for Jordan, one with them doing some sort of Brazilian/South American street dancing ( Jojo wearing a tight off white dress)  and the other on a boat. 
The stairs/ kissing ( Jojo wearing a white top and black skirt) and I'm falling for you dinner convo could be the night time portion of the boat date. Possibly pre HTD.
Or the boat date could be FD.

It will be interesting to see the time travel SCs going forward.
Litta had suggested that perhaps they deliberately did not show any JOrdan scenes in the promo from F4 and beyond because of the "not there for the right reasons" storyline. This could be in line with Brad 2.0 where there were no SCs of Emily after F6 because Her storyline was will I let you meet my daughter?

Maybe the boat date is his first one-on-one.  If he gets a one-on-one in Argentina, and that's the F6 to F4 episode (three roses on the table with the 4th given out on a GD), then it would likely be Jordan's second one-on-one.    

Either that or its a FD/LCD at the end.

ETA: Argentina could also be F8 to F6 with three roses given out on dates (a one-on-one, a two-on-one and a GD). But still, I don't think Jordan gets his first one-on-one that late in the process. Usually the latest is episode 5, which would be the one before the F8 episode.

I wondered if it was a rose, maybe it was a long stem rose from the dancing part of the date? I only thought that when I saw the dancing s/cap, they dance with a rose. IDK, I have no idea though it the stairs s/cap and the dancing s/cap were the same date.

GuardianAngel wrote:I wondered if it was a rose, maybe it was a long stem rose from the dancing part of the date? I only thought that when I saw the dancing s/cap, they dance with a rose. IDK, I have no idea though it the stairs s/cap and the dancing s/cap were the same date.

That would make sense GA. Maybe Jordan gives JoJo a rose <3.

^^How very "Josh-former-athlete" of him!!

(just having fun...I haven't formed an opinion on Jordan...I haven't seen enough...he could be a real good guy)

OH wow! Good memory @Litta123 !! You're right! I remember that now!

IA with @nd4reality and think the attire worn by Jordan and even JoJo (long sleeve shirt) seems more appropriate in S.America than Thailand. I think JoJo would likely wear something more flowy like a dress and thinner material than a skirt (leather?) and white long sleeve blouse for a FD? I also was looking for the white and black tiles on the staircase s/caps and they seem very common in both Uruguay and Argentina so I am thinking it is in one of those countries.

Regarding if it is a rose in the s/cap on the stairs: I thought it may be a large ring JoJo is wearing but when I watched again I saw her hand around Jordan's neck at the dinner part and it seemed like she wasn't wearing a large ring that I saw in the preview she wears on a date with Robby. IA with @Litta123  that it may be Jordan gave JoJo a rose or flower. It is possible it is not a rose though as I watched and took some more s/caps and will try lighten and post them but it could something else or part of her shirt (black lace part). Not sure though...

I think it's a rose also.

A remote possibility, but it could be her dark nails. I've seen in previous zooms the actual photos get very distorted. (I remember @grace8136 saw Elan on a boat in Juan Pablo's season and someone else thought it was a guy throwing chum overboard. ) I'm not saying it is her nails, but it's a possibility.

P.S. Love you, grace! Good times!

I am thinking it is not a rose when watching it again and in slow-mo. I took some s/shots and lightened them and sometimes it look like something and sometimes not. It could be her nail polish as Litta said. I think if this was the Bachelor I would think for sure it is likely (since the girls get roses) but since it is JoJo possibly holding it I am not sure. What makes me also wonder are the s/caps with JoJo and Jordan dancing where he has a rose pinned to his lapel. I would guess he would have done the same (and if it fell off he would hold it not JoJo) on the stairs (so on his jacket)?

Litta posted a possible Episode timeline and it seems Ep 7 is pre-HTD possibly. If the dancing s/caps of Jordan (looks like Carnival costumes) is Ep 5 then it could be similar to Jordan like Shawn B (also FIR) getting 1on1 Ep 5 with the s/caps of the stairs and possibly another 1on1 date in Ep 7/pre-HTD like what Lauren and Josh M had when no rose given? It also could be GDR/SQT but given Jordan has so many s/caps I am thinking possibly 2 1on1 dates?

Jacket looks same so possibly together? Looks like lighter top under jacket so may match?

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I have not contributed to the sleuthing this season & may be a day late & a dollar short with this. In rewatching the M&G, James Taylor has a PI in this same spot. The background & props are the same. It's at 1:59 on my PVR recording. Not saying it proves anything in terms of how long Jordan is on the show, just saying that both James & Jordan were filmed in this location. Sorry if this has been determined already.

Source: Litta's SC from page 1 of this thread