THE BACHELORETTE - SEASON 12 - JOJO FLETCHER - **NO SPOILERS** - *SLEUTHING* DISCUSSION

^^ Thanks, @kimberlyg! If HTDs are episode 8, then the 2-1 would occur in episode 6. Right? If the tango dance with Chase and the other guy is the 2-1, then I would think it means there are two locations in Argentina (doesn't DWTS do an Argentinian Tango?).

So our timeline might be something like this:

Epi 1- Epi 4 USA (usually 1-3 are LA, maybe this time even 4)

Epi 5 Uruguay

Epi 6 - Epi 7 Argentina

Epi 8 HTDs

Epi 9 & Finale Thailand

*NOTE: this is all speculation on my part based on what has been sleuthed from the SCs by a variety of people

This season's final 4 line-up seems pretty obvious from Epi 1 and the season preview. The first three episodes are usually shaking out edits for me since they're put together while the filming is in progress. Already, though, some things were left in the edit that are on my radar.

The Bachelorettes' advice--and the presence of Des and Ali--makes me wonder if this season is similar to theirs in that Jo falls fast and hard for someone (they needed Ashley there, too!) and he leaves her, devastating her. I'm wondering if there is someone there who will be Jo's Chris. Or is this an Andi/Josh, Kait/Shawn situation? Enter Jordan.

Jordan is the star of this season already, outshining even JoJo, but he gave me Ed, Brooks vibes as having some hesitancy. I imagine that we will see him struggle all season, and I'm wondering if he will leave her at some point. Feels like Des all over again. Maybe there's a different outcome though.

It's going to be a bumpy ride, I think. Looking forward to more episodes to figure out these guys' story arcs...

@veg_out, I'm glad you're posting on the sleuthing side of the non-spoiled. I loved your observations on the edit last season. Already in your post above, you've given me things to think about. Nice!  

I'm wondering, too, if there is someone who leaves on his own because of the guy walking away cap (in my mind, I've been thinking Luke. I don't sense from his BL that he is into her.). Looking forward to how this season shakes out.

As to locations, there are a few caps that puzzle me. I'll post them later in the SC thread to see if anyone recognizes the skylines/landmarks.

Interesting to me is that there seems to be HTD caps in this preview. Maybe that happens a lot, but I don't recall. I was thinking that was unusual, that they usually show up in a mid season preview.

@Litta123, I'm excited to be over here, too. Sometimes knowing the outcome clouds my perception. Need clear eyes for JoJo's love journey    

Reading through all of the unspoiled sleuthing-of-screencaps threads made it clear to me that we proved at least two of the F4 and are nearly certain of the other two. Let's see if the edit supports it, which'll take a few more epis. When I watched on Monday, I was shocked by the amount of screentime that Jordan had. Robby was next in line, making me wonder if he's the season narrator. Chase was present but low-key, and Luke with the boots was hard to miss. My F6 are those four guys plus Alex and maybe Grant/Ali. Someone was right that JoJo will need someone who can hold his own next to her, not someone who is unable to keep up with her lifestyle.

I don't think that any HTD caps were in the season preview--have to watch it again. I want to compare its storyline with other Bette's storylines.

You're doing an incredible job of sleuthing, and I'm so excited to watch this season with this group! Let's see if we can figure it out!

Litta123 wrote:@veg_out, I'm glad you're posting on the sleuthing side of the non-spoiled. I loved your observations on the edit last season. Already in your post above, you've given me things to think about. Nice!  

I'm wondering, too, if there is someone who leaves on his own because of the guy walking away cap (in my mind, I've been thinking Luke. I don't sense from his BL that he is into her.). Looking forward to how this season shakes out.

As to locations, there are a few caps that puzzle me. I'll post them later in the SC thread to see if anyone recognizes the skylines/landmarks.

Interesting to me is that there seems to be HTD caps in this preview. Maybe that happens a lot, but I don't recall. I was thinking that was unusual, that they usually show up in a mid season preview.

In past seasons, many that I can recall, the season premiere preview did show screen caps of HTD. They sometimes even snuck in screen caps of later. They are sneaky. I am not saying whether or not this is the case this season, only that I can recall it has been done.

Thanks, Kasha. I know very little of trends like that as I've only been "actively" sleuthing in the last few years. So not unusual...good to know!

^^Exactly, AC. The meltdown scene that JoJo appears to have looks to be in a private jet area at an airport. The scene in your post doesn't fit, but are TPTB using it to tell a story? Do they even do that in their previews? I personally can't answer that. I blew up that guy in the above cap to see if he could be identified. Nothing stood out to me.

So was the scene above used to just emphasize drama...or does it mean someone walks?

^^ There's another s/cap that may fit with the one of the guy walking at night.
Should I put in in the s/cap thread or sleuth here?

AllAboutLove wrote:^^ There's another s/cap that may fit with the one of the guy walking at night.
Should I put in in the s/cap thread or sleuth here?

Oops, I guess I should've posted those 2 SCs posts in the other SC thread? @GuardianAngel, would you mind moving those to SC thread and then we could continue there?

Here is what I have come up with based on the tentative episode timeline upthread on what we have sleuthed/speculated thus far for s/caps....

To my fellow unspoiled: If anything is left out or incorrect that has been sleuthed/speculated please post/comment and I will add to the list. This way we can see what still needs to be sleuthed and what is already sleuthed to avoid duplicates.


Potential timeline with activities/events:

Epi 1, Epi 2, and Epi 3 USA (usually 1-3 are in LA; 20 men at beginning of Epi 2)
CP - Chase makes it snow for JoJo at mansion (here and here)
GD? - Pool at mansion (sleuthed/speculated here); CH talks to Chad; sent home? (speculated here)

Epi 4? Pennsylvania
GD? - Downtown Pittsburg (sleuthed here)
1on1? - Luke in hot tub (speculated/sleuthed here)
1on1/SQT? - ? on plane date by Nemacolin Resort, Farmington, PA (sleuthed here; here)
CP - Jordan kissing JoJo Nemacolin Resort tea room (sleuthed here)

Epi 5 Uruguay - 11 men total (Robby, Chase, Jordan, Luke, Grant, Alex, Evan, Vinny, Wells, James T, and Derek)
GD - 9 men (sleuthed here) on sand dunes (sleuthed here) Robby & Jordan missing (so 11 men total)
1on1 - Robby cliff-jumping in water off Punta Ballen Portezuelo side known as "el salto" (sleuthed here)
1on1 - Jordan on boat near Punta del Este (speculated/sleuthed here); dinner? dancing night portion? (speculated here)

Epi 6 and Epi 7 Argentina
2on1 - Chase and ? at Gala Tango, Buenos Aires (sleuthed here); Chase in same? clothes at ? (speculated here; here; here; here)
1on1? - Alex walking and riding gaucho style (speculated/sleuthed here; here)
1on1/SQT? - Jordan in boat (if not Uruguay), dinner/kissing on stairs OR dancing in street? (speculated here; here)
1on1/SQT? - Robby at Plaza Hotel, BA (sleuthed here; here); JoJo and Robby in same clothes? (speculated here; here; here)
1on1/SQT? - Wells? under water/swinging at Fuerza Bruta show, Buenos Aires (sleuthed here; here)
RC - Chase dipping JoJo at Hall of Honor, Palacio Paz (sleuthed here; here)

Epi 8 HTDs
Luke - in Texas riding horses (sleuthed here)
Chase - in Colorado with snow and Rocky Mountains (speculated/sleuthed here; here)
Robby - in St. Augustine, Florida (sleuthed here; here)
Jordan ?  - California is his listed hometown

Epi 9 & Finale Thailand
FD - Chase (sleuthed here)
FD - Robby (sleuthed/speculated here)
FD - ? Jordan or Luke
MTP/LCD/FRC - ? and ?

AAL, thank you for making that master list! I was thinking about doing that myself to keep straight the known from the unknown.

G R E A T  job on the timeline, @AllAboutLove. 
Thank you for typing all of that out.