THE BACHELORETTE - SEASON 12 - JOJO FLETCHER - **NO SPOILERS** - *SLEUTHING* DISCUSSION

That's a great list. Do you want an NO - Minimal DISCUSSION thread for that?

You read my mind, GA! I just posted if a new thread for that. That would be so great

I'm just so impressed with all of you. I never understood sleuthing when I was spoiled (didn't get the point?) but this is like a puzzle that you're solving, and it's very fun to see it come together. Thanks for the entertainment and education!

@AllAboutLove, first of all, thanks for organizing that. That's a lot of work.

One correction is that I'm inclined to believe that Chad makes it to episode 4, so Pittsburgh. I'll post in the SC thread to discuss there and you can make the changes if you agree with my thinking.

@veg_out and @agentcurls @Litta123 Np. Team effort here  



@scooby That's exactly what it is like - solving a puzzle :Nod: It's what makes it so fun to try figure out where everything goes. The international threads are like this all the time since they are all unspoiled too and super fun as well

AllAboutLove wrote:You read my mind, GA! I just posted if a new thread for that. That would be so great

Done.

Timeline Here

Wow, thanks for the great work, AAL!!
I haven't been following the sleuthing very closely, and that list comes so handy.

And I have seen you guys talking about Chase making it snow for JoJo, wondering what is it. And I finally got to see the clip in the timeline thraed. It is really romantic!!!! I get teary eyes and it reminds me how Chris always made Des felt special.

I hope to see more of Chase, from the little I have seen so far, he seems like a keeper!!!

I'm not sure how much weight this should carry if any, but I've been listening very closely to the season preview.

What I think could be Robby's VO's (in regards to JoJo) from the season preview, (but I wouldn't bet my life on it). 

"I felt that connection with JoJo right away."
"I keep smiling because this could absolutely be the first date with my future wife."
"I could see myself at the end of this getting down on one knee."
ITM to JoJo "I have fallen in love with you, JoJo. I have."
 Back to VO "and it's an unstoppable force"
"I'm in love, like, mad love."

I hear Jordan's voice in this VO:
"Honestly, this is the best thing that's ever happened to me"
ITM to JoJo:
"I...am in love with you"

I don't believe I heard Luke's voice, other than this ITM:
"I didn't think it could be this good."

One VO from Chase (may be a frankenbite):
"I've already fallen in love with her, so..." and no ITM declarations to JoJo in the preview.

Maybe they are selling Robby as a strong F1 contender to perpetuate the Jordan drama. The preview even ends with the Robby clock tower SC. (As a side note, Ashley's season preview was quite JP VO-heavy. Also, Des' preview ended on the seaside rocks with Chris S.)

Maybe there is a lack of Jordan VO's to perpetuate his "intentions storyline" and to keep thier F1 more hidden or maybe because he doesn't stick around long enough for those bigger declarations (HTD, FD, etc)---> Could be the case with Luke as well. 

And Chase, though we know he makes it to Thailand, maybe gets tongue-tied much like Jillian's Reid in the love declarations dept., or TPTB are perhaps hiding their F1, if not Jordan. 

But it's Robby who seems front and center when watching this back several times.

AC, awesome, awesome work. Thank you!

I agree with you that we have a gazillion caps of Robby in the preview. Last night, I wondered, "Is this the first season where someone has 16 1:1 dates before HTDs?" Hyperbole, but he is all over the preview.

Out of curiosity, I went back and watched season previews for Ali, Ash, Emily, Des, Andi, and Kaitlyn. Of those, Ali's ends with her at the FRC stand. Ash, Andi, and Kaitlyn end with her crying: Ash and Andi are crying over being hurt and wanting their chance at love while Kait has tears of regret. Only Emily, Des, and now Jo's previews end with a scene of them with someone. The irony of that is that with Emily and Des we know that their final 1 was not the original pick. Des' preview is the only one that ends with her with the person that she ends up with; Emily ends on her and Arie.

I'll rewatch at some point to see if I can chart storylines. Last season, there was discussion that the preview doesn't reveal big plot points, like, Des' preview never really shows Brooks' leaving though you hear him crying. In the case of happy endings, like Ash, Andi, and Kait, the preview leaves you thinking that they won't get their happy ending; with Emily, Des, and now Jo, they suggest that they do get the fairytale. We know from watching that Ash, Andi, and Kait did get happy endings, and Des, Emily, and Ali got endings that they didn't initially expect, so the previews flip the story.

If that is indeed the case and pattern, then Jo's outcome is likely not her original expectation.

Or, I'm reading too much into the preview.

^^I love these kinds of analysis. Thanks, AC and veg!

It does seem that Robby is being thrown in our faces. I felt that way about Whitney, Lauren B and Shawn and all turned out to be F1. So, who knows? That seems to be the recent trend of things.

Have you guys listened to the preview that grace took off of her TV from a DWTS break? To me, I thought I heard Robby say in a VO that the best thing he could do is leave. If I heard correctly, did he mean the show...or did he mean the hotel room because things were getting too hot and heavy?

Bringing this over from our SC discussion thread so you guys can have a listen if you need to. Thanks, grace, for posting.

grace8136 wrote:
I recorded the second half of it (nothing new in the first half) because we can't find it online and there are a few new SC and a VO. Sorry for the poor quality. Click on it to watch.

Thanks for reposting that Litta.

Here is what my opinion is of what Jojo said about I don't care about what you think about me / ....spending my life with him etc.

IMO she is not talking about anyone she met during her season at all. She is talking to a number of the guys in a room and crying. At this point in filming (so many guys still left !!!) , she could certainly have formed a very close attachment to one of them (similar to Des/brooks which happened later in the season) but this would be way early for her to determine that the guy is who she would spend the rest of her life with AND tell the remaining dudes that. Too early IMO.
She is talking about some one prior to her season, maybe Ben or someone (ex real life boyfriend) prior to Ben. I hope its not Ben (perhaps each date she mentions him till the guys break with frustration and cornered her or something) but I hope she is not still fixated on him and his multiple ILUs.

She seems to be defending her previous relationship to this group and upset that they are questioning her.

All JMO from re-watching this little clip.

^That's a great summary of the previous 'Ettes season previews. Thanks, VO. 

I realize it is still early days this season, but I can see a scenario where her hot & heavy front runner (Jordan) either leaves on his own accord, or whose reputation gets somewhat tarnished to the point of not returning back to the easy-going chemistry in the beginning, the flame possibly slowly getting extinguished (a' la Ashley H. with Brad 2.0). Or this preview is very "smoke & mirrors" and we will see some SCs of Jordan in Thailand in the near future. If which case, I may be saying "game over" depending on how well they get over their obstacles because they seem to have some very magnetic chemistry. (Is it almost too comfortable for JoJo, though?) 

But if not, then in swoops:

Robby, who seems to have a reputation problem of his own, which may resolve itself by season's end if Jo falls hard for him. Robby would be a surprise F1 for me. He's been the narrator in episode 1 and season preview (like JP). According to his VO's though, could he have the potential to solve JoJo's obstacle of never having her same level of love for someone reciprocated? He seems to throw a lot out there that would indicate he could solve her love issues. 

And then there is the man of mystery, Luke. We are seeing a huge attraction between them, but no Thailand SCs yet. Maybe those will present themselves later? (in place of Jordan?) Could he be the hidden F1? 

And then there is Chase, who barely got screen time in episode 1, JoJo didn't say much about him (that was aired anyway), and who doesn't have a single date in episode 2, plus he does something special for her thinking he might not get a rose during the RC (way to keep him on his toes, JoJo! Just like Ali & Des told her to do) We see a few SCs of Chase in Argentina, what might be CO (HTD), and Thailand. But we don't have any ITM declarations coming from him yet, not much in VO, and no drama swirling around him. From the first night interaction and the "make it snow" clip, I think I see a more shy & nervous JoJo (except for the part where she sits on his lap! Maybe they kissed after Chase buried his head in her neck? If they did, we probably won't see it.) Could Chase be the strong and steady Chris S., who provides comfort to a continuously heartbroken JoJo this season? 

Oh, the possibilities! How exciting for us unspoiled because right now, it could go ANY WHICH WAY.