THE BACHELORETTE - SEASON 12 - JOJO FLETCHER - **NO SPOILERS** - Episode Discussion - *SLEUTHING* DISCUSSION

Katiebelle wrote:@Allaboutlove - I'm here!

kimberlyg wrote:Just a couple of very brief thoughts:

- If Derek hadn't been on the 2-on-1, he probably still would be around and Alex would've been sent packing.  I really wish that happened.

- I was surprised how insecure JoJo came across in this episode; though not in a bad way.  I think she's genuinely worried that whatever guy she picks isn't going to fall in love with her back.  I felt really bad for her in all that.

- Luke still comes across to me as F1.  The only thing that could possibly change that is if he leaves, and then it becomes a Deanna situation.

- I'm #TeamJordan, but I actually thought he handled the stuff was JoJo really poorly, and it's the first time this season where I've been bothered by it.  He was way too overly defensive, and could have just easily said:  "we were playing a card game and got into a stupid argument, and I acted like an *******."  Instead he had to be like, "we were playing a game and I was right."  I also think that Jordan freaking out over entitled was dumb; mostly because it was the wrong word -- I think James was trying to call him "arrogant," which is probably how he came off in their argument.  As in "I'm Jordan Rodgers, so of course I'm right about the rules to the card game."  But it's not the fight itself that I didn't like -- it was Jordan's reaction to JoJo bringing it up.  Like, dude, just own up to the fact that you acted immature over something stupid (as did James for bringing it up in the first place, but I'm guessing that's producer driven).

Amethyst wrote:Watching Jojo with Wells, and later Derek, I was struck by how transparent she is. When she's not into a certain guy, it shows.

Having said that, I was really confused by her choice of men for the 2-on-1. Chase, fine, but why Derek? To me, it seems logical that you choose someone you are pretty sure that you want, and someone you are pretty sure that you don't want. So Chase/Alex or even Chase/JT might have made more sense. It made me wonder what went wrong with Derek, who seems on the surface to have all the virtues.

But I don't think this date was about Derek so much as it was about Chase. IMO Jojo wanted to use the uncertainty of a 2-on-1 to push Chase to more of a commitment in terms of revealing his emotions. She wanted to put him in the hot seat. And in that, she was successful. She may have selected Derek as an entirely plausible competitor for Chase. Chase probably wouldn't have taken Alex or JT nearly as seriously as Derek. Jojo had to make Chase sweat. And she did. Which tells me that she is likely *very* serious about him.

Luke is gorgeous and hot. I'd be shocked if he doesn't make it to the Fantasy Suite.

Jordan -- there is a residual attraction there, but with this episode I got the feeling that his star is fading.

Robbie -- I still don't get him.

JT and Alex -- I was rather intrigued by the fact that Jojo couldn't make the call. It shouldn't have been that tricky. I think that she really likes both, but that they've both been essentially friend zoned. I think the real reason that she wants both around is that they are the "truth tellers" of this season. If Jojo wants to know the dirt of what's going on between the men, she knows they will tell her. IMO she does wants to know. That's why, even though I didn't care for JT's revelation about Jordan, I don't think it hurt him in Jojo's eyes. He's not an F4, but he still holds value for her.

As for the next Bachelor -- IMO Chase and Derek are most like the type they tend to go for.