Bachelor New Zealand - Jordan Mauger - Season 2 - Episode Discussion - *Sleuthing* - *Spoilers*- #2

Thanks for the recap everyone!

jen689 wrote:Naz seems like she has a crush on Jordan. It doesn't seem like the type of relationship that will last. Jordan said he likes less aggressive women. That's NOT Naz. He likes Naz mainly because Naz likes him. I think Storm was more his type. Unfortunately Jordan wasn't Storm's type. Jordan likes the adventurous side of Fleur but she's not handling the process very well. I don't see Fleur as F1. Erin has that softer side like Storm which I think Jordan is attracted to. She isn't dramatic. She's true to herself and understands the process. Erin could end up F1 by default  JMO

I beg to differ.
Can I ask you when Jordan said he likes less aggressive women?

Also Naz was a true mess yesterday and she did not fake tears and emotion IMO. ***IMO***he was more than affectionate kissing naz on her head, holding her tight when she had her panic attack and he was also sweet and loving when she had this meltdown at the RC.

Erin is definitely calm and collected. No physical chemistry IMO. His best friend said that jordan is a passionate of superyacht and I think this is the only thing with the ocean that they share. Her "oh that's cool", I hope this is not about the earrings because that is not how someone should ever receive such a gift IMO

Fleur admits she has insecurities. For a month (from volcano to yesterday), Jordan said that after the plateau, it fell on the side and nothing happened. Then the 1on1 was a mess. She sleep on it and decide that after 24 hours of thinking she is very motivated and want to stay? Then she is having a meltdown tonight. I think she lack of experience and she reminds me of a teenager who has a secret crush, build up a fairy tale story and is hoping her prince charming is going to slay everyone and everything and declare his undying love for her. Saying that she did not want to pass aside a guy that can potentially be with her the rest of her life... way too premature and excessive at this point. Her expectations are so not on the same level as Jordan who is realist to do not propose at the end.

Anyway. it is nice to read another version of what you see. It means that the edits are very good!

djogbenyuie wrote:do we know Jordan's physical type? Naz is the only brunette left and also she is kinda more exotic.

If Crystal is any indication, maybe his usual type is blondes? Therefore having a unique brunette in the mix is really significant. but again the supposed blonde type backup Erin or Fleur being F1.

DOn't know where i'm going with this hahahah

I do not know if you saw that but his brother married an exotic woman
It does not mean anything except that there is no racism in his family for sure
I do not think it will play a big deal in his choice though except it is nice to know it.

cocoHoney wrote:

djogbenyuie wrote:I don't think Naz was playing any game this episode. At the CP she was already frustrated to not being able to talk to him; maybe she even didn't take well the fact that he took Fleur for the SQT knowing how she didn't like that on the other 3on1 she was on with claudia and gab. And then at the RC, i can't take how she reacted to Fleur's kiss to Jordan out of my head. It was like a little electroshock in her body and it was so obvious (unless it's just editing).

And she couldn't even look Jordan in the eye the whole time.
Those are real emotions. Seriously that really touches me.
Even more than Fleur's reaction last week. Maybe because Naz seemed so strong therefore her showing vulnerability is more moving?

But seriously, i also want him to start making the moves now. I'm all for women being strong and forward but please, it's tiring to only see them go to him for few weeks now. It should be both ways.

I was really touched as well watching her ... To me she is being her trueself and not playing any game.
I was still surprised to see her do the swinging thing knowing that she would be landing in open sea. I was even more surprised that no one would think about staying in the water at that time to make sure she would be fine ... and also I wish I saw her reaction when he picked Fleur for the 1on1. But truth is, being picked on dates or 1on1 isn't only about romance and being safe ... Ceri and Kate got sent home right after their SD ...

Also did you notice that when Fleur jumped to rescue her (which is nice), she said that she was the closest one ... but she was not. Erin was. In most cases I would think that this would be a natural humble reply but I dont buy if with Fleur ... to me she still comes off braggy

it is not braggy IMO. It is more delusional. I think she built up this love story with jordan since the volcano, shared it with all the girls except jordan    It is clear that all the girls saw fleur as competitive, sure of her connection with jordan etc... when she says she has insecurities. It is like we have Fleur at the mansion and Fleur with Jordan and it is 2 different person. Heck Storm was totally surprised and thought Fleur had it in the pocket.

BUT what Jordan said yesterday on the 1on1 is completely different!!!

He said that they achieved a plateau, then it fell aside and there were no momentum.

If we translate: they had a great connection at the volcano date, then little by little it fell apart and nothing came up to raise or just keep the connection alive

For me it speaks volume. On top of saying that it took her 24 hours to decide that she would open up just in case she missed the opportunity to be with a guy she could potentially spend the rest of her life with

way too dramatic. Jordan just explained that they are no longer on the happy volcano plateau and because SHE decides to make an effort to open up, she expect HIM to follow?

Yes they pashed. Yes he said he was happy not to loose her. but it means nothing. Lets remember also the volcano was march 29 and yesterday RC was aprl 24... a full month to keep a guy at distance. I think jordan moved on a long time ago and anything she says is now too late.

IMO if edits showed another girl a lot on ITM, then the focus of the public would have swift to this girl saying she is favorite. Lets imagine Gab or Erin talking a lot on ITM... But they did not get much material with them, but tons with Fleur, more easier to manipulate her IMO

As requested

Jordan: I am going to take away the lifeguard of the day


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snowyglow12 wrote:Fleur also had 1 on 1 from beach volleyball group date in Epi 2.  For some reason Jordan seemed a bit cold to Fleur even though he kissed her and told her he didn't want to lose her.  I've always thought it was Fleur but now I think it could be Naz.  They've had the physical chemistry from the beginning, and now they got this emotional connection as well.  I also see Erin as a dark horse. It is just up in the air right now.  But, for most of this season the story has been about Naz.  Remember Jordan wants someone to surprise him and sweep him off his feet.  Now who is doing that for him...who knows??

djogbenyuie wrote:I don't think Naz was playing any game this episode. At the CP she was already frustrated to not being able to talk to him; maybe she even didn't take well the fact that he took Fleur for the SQT knowing how she didn't like that on the other 3on1 she was on with claudia and gab. And then at the RC, i can't take how she reacted to Fleur's kiss to Jordan out of my head. It was like a little electroshock in her body and it was so obvious (unless it's just editing).

And she couldn't even look Jordan in the eye the whole time.
Those are real emotions. Seriously that really touches me.
Even more than Fleur's reaction last week. Maybe because Naz seemed so strong therefore her showing vulnerability is more moving?

But seriously, i also want him to start making the moves now. I'm all for women being strong and forward but please, it's tiring to only see them go to him for few weeks now. It should be both ways.

I think he already made the move but edits are hiding it to keep us guessing. If it was too obvious then no show. and for me he did since second SD with Naz.

I was also moved by Naz yesterday. At this point, emotions are high and since she did not have any alone time with jordan (which I am sure it was prod oriented), then she saw fleur kissing jordan on the mouth which I think was spontaneous from fleur, she did not think at all about the other girls and i think it was the same for him. I did not see any malice in it.

But no time plus kiss plus being last 2... i am sure it was overwhelming for naz. Fleur probably talked a lot at the mansion so naz like the other girls knew the connection (except jordan obviously ) so seeing fleur kissing him was like WOW my connection is not as strong as I think it is.

I bet tomorrow naz will not be last 2..............

and someone say that fleur was not the closest but erin.

fleur was. It is a montage. But it probably took a little while to know if naz was in trouble or not except jordan who immediately reacted






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HEA wrote:

I think he already made the move but edits are hiding it to keep us guessing. If it was too obvious then no show. and for me he did since second SD with Naz.

I was also moved by Naz yesterday. At this point, emotions are high and since she did not have any alone time with jordan (which I am sure it was prod oriented), then she saw fleur kissing jordan on the mouth which I think was spontaneous from fleur, she did not think at all about the other girls and i think it was the same for him. I did not see any malice in it.

But no time plus kiss plus being last 2... i am sure it was overwhelming for naz. Fleur probably talked a lot at the mansion so naz like the other girls knew the connection (except jordan obviously ) so seeing fleur kissing him was like WOW my connection is not as strong as I think it is.

I bet tomorrow naz will not be last 2..............

Yeah, I totally see your point. I'm probably not that objective any more about Fleur ... She is probably living her fairy tale to the fullest, and went for a kiss forgetting about everything around ... including the other girls.
Can't wait for tonight's episode with Naz telling about defending her territory or something.

Erin is a nice girl. She is the only one who saw the connection between Jordan and Naz BEFORE the show started. She is drama free, never talks trash on anyone ... but I don't see any chemistry there. I'm thinking she will make it to the HTD because I can hardly imagine a SD with a nice gift and then right away a ticket to fly back home ... I reckon the reason why she is still here is because she is attractive and she has that superyacht background that she shares with Jordan. But I definitely don't think she will make it F1 ...
I think physical attraction is pretty important for Jordan, knowing that he has been dating Chrystal before. And I think he is really attracted to Naz, even though she is the total opposite of Chrystal in terms of physical assets ... I don't really see a physical connection with Fleur even though she seems to fit his lifestyle better ...

cocoHoney wrote:

HEA wrote:

I think he already made the move but edits are hiding it to keep us guessing. If it was too obvious then no show. and for me he did since second SD with Naz.

I was also moved by Naz yesterday. At this point, emotions are high and since she did not have any alone time with jordan (which I am sure it was prod oriented), then she saw fleur kissing jordan on the mouth which I think was spontaneous from fleur, she did not think at all about the other girls and i think it was the same for him. I did not see any malice in it.

But no time plus kiss plus being last 2... i am sure it was overwhelming for naz. Fleur probably talked a lot at the mansion so naz like the other girls knew the connection (except jordan obviously ) so seeing fleur kissing him was like WOW my connection is not as strong as I think it is.

I bet tomorrow naz will not be last 2..............

Yeah, I totally see your point. I'm probably not that objective any more about Fleur ... She is probably living her fairy tale to the fullest, and went for a kiss forgetting about everything around ... including the other girls.
Can't wait for tonight's episode with Naz telling about defending her territory or something.

Erin is a nice girl. She is the only one who saw the connection between Jordan and Naz BEFORE the show started. She is drama free, never talks trash on anyone ... but I don't see any chemistry there. I'm thinking she will make it to the HTD because I can hardly imagine a SD with a nice gift and then right away a ticket to fly back home ... I reckon the reason why she is still here is because she is attractive and she has that superyacht background that she shares with Jordan. But I definitely don't think she will make it F1 ...
I think physical attraction is pretty important for Jordan, knowing that he has been dating Chrystal before. And I think he is really attracted to Naz, even though she is the total opposite of Chrystal in terms of physical assets ... I don't really see a physical connection with Fleur even though she seems to fit his lifestyle better ...

i see another montage about the territory... she and gab were competing in bikes so she could use that as loosing some territory meaning distance from the arrival. nothing more. I saw Jordan smiling when she said that.

I do not see the physical chemistry with Erin. I see a girl who would take months before calling a guy her boyfriend. I think she is very realist that the time is too short for her and she cannot speed up her feelings.

Fleur is living in her own world. sweet girl but she mix interest with feelings.

i thought Erin totally hilarious.
Fleur was in her lalalaloveland
Naz was true to herself and thought it was a bad thing
Gab was shocked



sorry no idea how to include a GIF

I cannot wait to know if Naz is eliminated tonight!!!

the stuff article is sure a clue that she might be!!!

well done @snowyglow12 for finding this!!