Bachelor New Zealand - Jordan Mauger - Season 2 - Episode Discussion - *Sleuthing* - *Spoilers*- #2

I think Jordan said things plateaued because Fleur didn't approach him at the last CP and so he put her in the bottom two and then things were back to "I don't want to lose you" when she did approach him and so she got a rose early.

Naz never approached him this time and she was put in the bottom two. If she hadn't cried at RC I doubt Jordan would have done anything differently at that RC.

I think that Jordan's MO is just to see who chases him. That's it. That's his pattern and recurring theme and mentioned over and over again and he questions the girls if they don't initiate/approach him.


jmo

Fleur also had 1 on 1 from beach volleyball group date in Epi 2.  For some reason Jordan seemed a bit cold to Fleur even though he kissed her and told her he didn't want to lose her.  I've always thought it was Fleur but now I think it could be Naz.  They've had the physical chemistry from the beginning, and now they got this emotional connection as well.  I also see Erin as a dark horse. It is just up in the air right now.  But, for most of this season the story has been about Naz.  Remember Jordan wants someone to surprise him and sweep him off his feet.  Now who is doing that for him...who knows??

Reminds me of other F2's who have received earrings.

snowyglow12 wrote:snipped

 Remember Jordan wants someone to surprise him and sweep him off his feet.  Now who is doing that for him...who knows??

Re the bolded...

Therein lies the issue, imo. Jordan's emphasis on being swept off his feet and the girls initiating/approaching makes him a lead that doesn't seem to chase at all and is waiting to be chased. He really comes across condescending to the girls, imo, and I think if Naz stopped stroking his ego he would treat her with a cold shoulder too. Half of me thinks Naz would be a good choice for him since she is willing to chase him but I am not sure if it would last as Naz herself has said they are very similar so I think the moment she stops chasing him he will eliminate her from his life. With Fleur I think the same thing would inevitably happen if she is F1 since so far he likes it when she chases him but gives her the cold shoulder when she doesn't. No matter who is F1, Jordan seems too up and down, imo, and not ready for a stable relationship. Then again, he said he doesn't want a stable relationship/person so who knows. I guess Fleur or Naz would be perfect up and down choices then for him.  

jmo

Hi everyone, hope you had a greatweekend. Just watched episode 15 replay!!!

Good job @djogbenyuie, you were right about the reason why Naz got upset. I have to admit watching the scene I wanted to be Kate and comfort her ... The more I see about Naz, the more I like her.

I also thought Kate was very nice, especially comforting Naz ... I think she can truly be a very good friend. But again totally friendzone. I think Jordan values her personality and the conversations they have, that's why she stayed that long ... but it was pretty clear it was not going anywhere.

I'm also very surprised Erin has made it that far. Damn we hardly see anything about her or her connection but yet she is F4 ...
So she will be having her second SD tomorrow, totally recognized her voice in the glowworm caves, plus @HEA you found out about the earrings at the CP
I think she will make it to the HTDs.

I think Gab is the next to go. Same as Kate, he likes her personality and stuff, the fact that she is a strong and independant woman but I see no attraction here.

I'm so pleased to see how Jordan comforted Naz on the boat. Finally some 'romance', kind of, going on ...
But even though at that point she is the one I would like to see win, I hardly picture them together. First, is she ready to have kids? since this is what he's looking for from this adventure ... and we know he questioned Fleur and Ceri on the topic ...
Also there are things I don't quite get but that may be due to the fact that Jordan is a bit contradictory. He seems to be looking for strong women but then he likes comforting Naz whenever she has a meltdown .... it's like the more she shows her soft interior the more he likes her. I don't really get it.
Though I'd like to be wrong about them not really fitting together ... I think she is spicy and edgy and I like her personality

I first really liked Fleur and totally thought she was the obvious F1 but at one point things kind of changed, I think she shows her true colors during ITMs, coming off really arrogant. Also the way she acts sometimes and is condescendant to others ... totally put me off.
It seems she and Jordan kind of reconnected during the RC but the 1on1 was so awkward ... wooww clearly NOTHING has been going on since the volcano date. But still, I don't see chemistry between those 2 ...

Oh and the kiss she gave him when he handed the rose to her was totally out of place for me, and to me that shows how arrogant and mean she can be ... and yes, that's maybe why Naz got even more upset ...
I think that at the beginning she would be seen as the super nice and outgoing girl with everyone because
1) it was the beginning
2) she thought she was already doing better than the others while building a connection with Jordan
Her main threat was Storm and she knew it and I'm sure she did all the talking to Storm about how great her connection was with Jordan ... on purpose. I don't think she is that nice person ...
And now that she sees others as threats, like Naz, well this is getting worse, she is kissing the guy in front of everyone. I find that sick to be honest ...

But she has got that intrepid vibe he seems to like (her adventurous past in Africa, the fact that she is always up to any kind of activity) and in that way she fits maybe more what Jordan is looking for ... ????

I'm still confused about who the final pick could be but so far my guess would be :

Gaz living before HTD
F3 - Erin
F2 - Naz (I would love to see her win though)
F1 - Fleur

Watching now. The climbing scene on the boat is quite symbolic if Fleur is F1.
Maybe it's a foreshadow?

I don't think Naz was playing any game this episode. At the CP she was already frustrated to not being able to talk to him; maybe she even didn't take well the fact that he took Fleur for the SQT knowing how she didn't like that on the other 3on1 she was on with claudia and gab. And then at the RC, i can't take how she reacted to Fleur's kiss to Jordan out of my head. It was like a little electroshock in her body and it was so obvious (unless it's just editing).

And she couldn't even look Jordan in the eye the whole time.
Those are real emotions. Seriously that really touches me.
Even more than Fleur's reaction last week. Maybe because Naz seemed so strong therefore her showing vulnerability is more moving?

But seriously, i also want him to start making the moves now. I'm all for women being strong and forward but please, it's tiring to only see them go to him for few weeks now. It should be both ways.

djogbenyuie wrote:I don't think Naz was playing any game this episode. At the CP she was already frustrated to not being able to talk to him; maybe she even didn't take well the fact that he took Fleur for the SQT knowing how she didn't like that on the other 3on1 she was on with claudia and gab. And then at the RC, i can't take how she reacted to Fleur's kiss to Jordan out of my head. It was like a little electroshock in her body and it was so obvious (unless it's just editing).

And she couldn't even look Jordan in the eye the whole time.
Those are real emotions. Seriously that really touches me.
Even more than Fleur's reaction last week. Maybe because Naz seemed so strong therefore her showing vulnerability is more moving?

But seriously, i also want him to start making the moves now. I'm all for women being strong and forward but please, it's tiring to only see them go to him for few weeks now. It should be both ways.

I was really touched as well watching her ... To me she is being her trueself and not playing any game.
I was still surprised to see her do the swinging thing knowing that she would be landing in open sea. I was even more surprised that no one would think about staying in the water at that time to make sure she would be fine ... and also I wish I saw her reaction when he picked Fleur for the 1on1. But truth is, being picked on dates or 1on1 isn't only about romance and being safe ... Ceri and Kate got sent home right after their SD ...

Also did you notice that when Fleur jumped to rescue her (which is nice), she said that she was the closest one ... but she was not. Erin was. In most cases I would think that this would be a natural humble reply but I dont buy if with Fleur ... to me she still comes off braggy

cocoHoney wrote:

djogbenyuie wrote:I don't think Naz was playing any game this episode. At the CP she was already frustrated to not being able to talk to him; maybe she even didn't take well the fact that he took Fleur for the SQT knowing how she didn't like that on the other 3on1 she was on with claudia and gab. And then at the RC, i can't take how she reacted to Fleur's kiss to Jordan out of my head. It was like a little electroshock in her body and it was so obvious (unless it's just editing).

And she couldn't even look Jordan in the eye the whole time.
Those are real emotions. Seriously that really touches me.
Even more than Fleur's reaction last week. Maybe because Naz seemed so strong therefore her showing vulnerability is more moving?

But seriously, i also want him to start making the moves now. I'm all for women being strong and forward but please, it's tiring to only see them go to him for few weeks now. It should be both ways.

I was really touched as well watching her ... To me she is being her trueself and not playing any game.
I was still surprised to see her do the swinging thing knowing that she would be landing in open sea. I was even more surprised that no one would think about staying in the water at that time to make sure she would be fine ... and also I wish I saw her reaction when he picked Fleur for the 1on1. But truth is, being picked on dates or 1on1 isn't only about romance and being safe ... Ceri and Kate got sent home right after their SD ...

Also did you notice that when Fleur jumped to rescue her (which is nice), she said that she was the closest one ... but she was not. Erin was. In most cases I would think that this would be a natural humble reply but I dont buy if with Fleur ... to me she still comes off braggy

Juuuuust a little bit

do we know Jordan's physical type? Naz is the only brunette left and also she is kinda more exotic.

If Crystal is any indication, maybe his usual type is blondes? Therefore having a unique brunette in the mix is really significant. but again the supposed blonde type backup Erin or Fleur being F1.

DOn't know where i'm going with this hahahah

Naz seems like she has a crush on Jordan. It doesn't seem like the type of relationship that will last. Jordan said he likes less aggressive women. That's NOT Naz. He likes Naz mainly because Naz likes him. I think Storm was more his type. Unfortunately Jordan wasn't Storm's type. Jordan likes the adventurous side of Fleur but she's not handling the process very well. I don't see Fleur as F1. Erin has that softer side like Storm which I think Jordan is attracted to. She isn't dramatic. She's true to herself and understands the process. Erin could end up F1 by default  JMO

Loved reading all your thoughts y'all Very insightful & entertaining.

I can't decide who is leaving tonight... Can't tell from @HEA's caps but I am leaning towards Gabs.

So more Fleur drama on tonight's episode. From your recaps seems Fleur said some girls are competitive but she kisess Jordan right in front of the others at RC...that's interesting to say the least, wonder why she did that.....what a mess of a season

The one person I now wish could be F1 is Erin, love her drama free edit & her chilled attitude on the show.

I still think it's Fleur & Naz as F2, we will see how it shakes out though