Bachelor New Zealand - Jordan Mauger - Season 2 - Episode Discussion - *Sleuthing* - *Spoilers*- #2

mercieme wrote:@Jen689 who is your pick for F1 now? TIA

If Jordan is offering rides in his Delorean to anyone who guesses how the show ends it's got to be unexpected. I have no idea after the last episode. Maybe we'll get more insight after the hometowns. I think Jordan was confused and overwhelmed by the process. Who ever he picks in the end I don't think it's going to last long term JMO

jen689 wrote:

HEA wrote:about coping mechanism... I think it is very normal when you are in a relationship...

There was a conversation at a cocktail party where Naz twisted Shari's words to make her look bad. With the rose on the last episode she could have told the women they'd have to wait until the rose ceremony to see if she got a rose instead of using the flax rose to trick them. Jordan seems very black and white. I don't think he wants to be in a long term relationship with someone that twists words and makes up half truths.

Naz says she doesn't care what other people think. If that was really true then why didn't she show the women the real rose? She said she didn't like their reaction to the last time she got a rose. To me she does care what other people think. She's a contradiction just like Jordan when he says he likes women who aren't aggressive which is so NOT Naz JMO

I beg to differ.....



During the cocktail party, he mentioned that she hided the rose and play a prank to the girls. And I do not think Jordan is black and white. I think he is very dorky and he loves strong wowen (his word: I do not want a passenger). I totally recall many play words games in their second single date.... and his ice cream joke on Storm's nose.....

IMO, from the start, her personality is anti-kiwi and maybe anti-aussie. She is loud, she is opinionated, not afraid to say what she has in mind. She is no little mouse waiting for the prince charming to come.

and that disturbs a heck of a lot of people because they are more conservative.

Last year with Dani, it was exactly the same.

Now, we'll see if we have a repeat or not. cannot wait!

Thanks @jen689....yeah this season is different from any I have ever seen before for sure. We know that producers typically make the lead narrow down their F4 so they can edit around those but not sure they got to do that with Jordan. I am now very interested to know if girls showing lack of interest in Jordan was the reason why we have the F5 currently consisting of an MOT girl like Kate....just does not jive. All JMO.

jen689 wrote:
There was a conversation at a cocktail party where Naz twisted Shari's words to make her look bad. With the rose on the last episode she could have told the women they'd have to wait until the rose ceremony to see if she got a rose instead of using the flax rose to trick them. Jordan seems very black and white. I don't think he wants to be in a long term relationship with someone that twists words and makes up half truths.

Naz says she doesn't care what other people think. If that was really true then why didn't she show the women the real rose? She said she didn't like their reaction to the last time she got a rose. To me she does care what other people think. She's a contradiction just like Jordan when he says he likes women who aren't aggressive which is so NOT Naz JMO

ITA. I see the exact same thing with Naz on her SM where she acts like she is better than everyone else and refers to people that may not care for her as "idiots" and not having to explain herself to people because she is not the "f**kface whisperer"  

Naz is not truly confident to me but selfish, insecure and attention seeking from what I have observed. She uses her "just being myself" as an excuse for her behavior and plays victim by blaming others for their behavior but she gives herself a pass because she is "just herself".

So far I don't find Naz genuine. She seems manipulative and thinks it is just funny to play games which is her prerogative but it doesn't make her sincere, imo. Ultimately I think Naz just seeks drama and attention and thrives on it. I don't find her antics/games/dramatics entertaining but rather I find her antics boring.

If Naz is F1 I hope it works out longterm with Jordan. If F1 is someone else I hope the same. But given what I have observed and sleuthed thus far - no matter who is F1 - I am not sure it will last anyway.

HEA wrote:

and I also played with my boyfriends many inside jokes that only us could understand and laughed about... so for me this triple P is a perfect example

just sayin'

Good job on the Triple P finding. I think it may really mean something ...

No watter who will end up as F1, I agree with you on the fact I doubt it will be long term.

Jordan said he had been single for years ... years !!!! He might be really picky

cocoHoney wrote:

HEA wrote:

and I also played with my boyfriends many inside jokes that only us could understand and laughed about... so for me this triple P is a perfect example

just sayin'

Good job on the Triple P finding. I think it may really mean something ...

No watter who will end up as F1,  I agree with you on the fact I doubt it will be long term.

Jordan said he had been single for years ... years !!!! He might be really picky

he is 32... maybe HIS clock is ticking??

IMO, when the good majority of the public AND some medias trashed her about her physique, about her personality, about pretty much everything on the show... On top of that she was directly attacked about her origins by Kate and mocked all over the place... for me it is definitely not selfish (where is the selfishness in it?) or insecure or attention seeking or whatever.

I think she is a human being. I dare anyone to keep its cool. And so far, she is doing what A LOT of girls are doing. She just like and retweet....

ahem... did Matilda did the same last year? Oh yeah, pardon me, she was the sweetheart angel that everyone loved.

so again... why is it that with one it is okay and the other is not okay. me wonder.

but... at the end of the day. we all see different things and no need to go further since everyone will stay on their opinion. Fine with me.

clock ticking haha ... made my day

Totally agree with you on Naz.

I was thinking about the whole hit list and competitiveness thingy. I think we really have to keep in mind that prod and edits have a great role on what we may think about someone. Also they spent weeks in this adventure and they only select a few lines here and there for the show. About the hit list what we may not know is that maybe during the ITMs they were always questioning her about that hit list she may have mentioned just once at the beginning. I think many girls who enter the show were more interested in the adventure itself than in the potential relationship to get out of it. Shari, Nicole, Claudia ... even Gab to me it seems they did not care that much about the guy ... and Naz saw it so she probably thought they had nothing to do here and told that during ITM.
Then maybe they constantly asked her about her hit list mission during the following ITMs. Also I'm pretty sure Claudia would also create even more drama and enhance Naz's strong temper who then decided to talk to Jordan about those girls.

I don't totally defend her ... I still think this was not a smart move to make to mention those girls to him. But like the other girls said ... he always spends a lot of time with Naz, they probably talked about many other things but that we don't hear about ...

At least to me she is not two faced ... she can play sometimes like she did hiding the rose in the last RC but honestly ... is it such a bad thing to blame her for ?? I don't think so ... talking trash in the back like pretty much all the others do is ...
Also, she did confront Ceri ... maybe not the softest way ... but at least she did it in front of her ... that show honesty I think. Then if poor Ceri ended up crying, well ... not Naz's fault if she is super sensitive

HEA wrote:
ahem... did Matilda did the same last year? Oh yeah, pardon me, she was the sweetheart angel that everyone loved.

so again... why is it that with one it is okay and the other is not okay. me wonder.

I don't see a correlation between Matilda and Naz.

Matilda never pretended to not have a rose at RC or say the other girls were on her Hit-list.  

Matilda also never posted on her SM that she is not a "f**kface whisperer" to "idiots" as Naz has done.

That being said, I don't think Naz is a bad person, I just don't buy into her spiel.

cocoHoney wrote:clock ticking haha ... made my day

Totally agree with you on Naz.

I was thinking about the whole hit list and competitiveness thingy. I think we really have to keep in mind that prod and edits have a great role on what we may think about someone. Also they spent weeks in this adventure and they only select a few lines here and there for the show. About the hit list what we may not know is that maybe during the ITMs they were always questioning her about that hit list she may have mentioned just once at the beginning. I think many girls who enter the show were more interested in the adventure itself than in the potential relationship to get out of it. Shari, Nicole, Claudia ... even Gab to me it seems they did not care that much about the guy ... and Naz saw it so she probably thought they had nothing to do here and told that during ITM.
Then maybe they constantly asked her about her hit list mission during the following ITMs. Also I'm pretty sure Claudia would also create even more drama and enhance Naz's strong temper who then decided to talk to Jordan about those girls.

I don't totally defend her ... I still think this was not a smart move to make to mention those girls to him. But like the other girls said ... he always spends a lot of time with Naz, they probably talked about many other things but that we don't hear about ...

At least to me she is not two faced ... she can play sometimes like she did hiding the rose in the last RC but honestly ... is it such a bad thing to blame her for ?? I don't think so ... talking trash in the back like pretty much all the others do is ...
Also, she did confront Ceri ... maybe not the softest way ... but at least she did it in front of her ... that show honesty I think. Then if poor Ceri ended up crying, well ... not Naz's fault if she is super sensitive

My Gawd! Thank you for that. I just see exactly what you saw!!!

We all know that the crew*prods manipulate bachelor and contestant... constantly asking them to talk about the same subject so they can use that for their voice over and include that in their scenario.

Is Naz perfect? heck no. Did she made mistakes? heck yes.

She just speak her mind and she does not care who listen and if it rubes the wrong way. She is outspoken and secure about who she is. I truly but truly do not understand why it is bad for a contestant to be competitive and try to be notice by all means by the bachelor... isn't the purpose to put 23 girls in the same arena after all???? #duh

Yes, she made a big mistake (she recognized it saying that she should have trusted Jordan and not nark). But I think it came from a good intention. I am positive that she witnessed some double-faces girls and since she was interested into jordan from the start, she was pissed off to see that. And along the way, those girls did not like it. of course.

How come, people can still like Kate or the other girls when they are constantly talking behind her back and do not have guts to speak their mind in front of her. THAT is cowardice and fake.

I am SO happy that Storm who is truly loved and respected, came out to rectify things about Naz. That is class act. (Ceri not talking to you girl). If there is one girl who may know what happened RECENTLY in the mansion, it is Storm.

Naz has been bullied from the start. Her association with Claudia was a huge mistake. Claudia is the kind of woman who can insult you with a huge smile on her face. When Claudia reported to Naz that one girl preferred the 5000$ necklace over a rose... that is when naz was not correct. She trusted Claudia without checking. Plus it was not Naz place to say anything since she was not first hand witnessing. It was totally childish to "report" to Jordan. And she learn her lesson when he told her to stop that. and she did. I cannot say the same from other girls who trashed her behind her back like Kate and co.

I think she did really well after being bullied on national TV and on SM (not only fans but journalists!!!). I looked the tweets and calling them idiots for trashing her about her boobs is, for me, so very tame compared of what I would have said...

AllAboutLove wrote:

HEA wrote:
ahem... did Matilda did the same last year? Oh yeah, pardon me, she was the sweetheart angel that everyone loved.

so again... why is it that with one it is okay and the other is not okay. me wonder.

I don't see a correlation between Matilda and Naz.

Matilda never pretended to not have a rose at RC or say the other girls were on her Hit-list.  

Matilda also never posted on her SM that she is not a "f**kface whisperer" to "idiots" as Naz has done.

That being said, I don't think Naz is a bad person, I just don't buy into her spiel.

liking and retweeting

sorry to say but if someone is insulting me, I am not a woman to say: again, please please again. I will be pissed off and I will find a way to speak my mind.

and... every single contestants come with an agenda. I will never believe anyone are going with the LOVE in their mind only. It is a possibility but so slim that all the girls are first attracted about the TV adventure (it is fun to participate and be famous), to travel (although this year they were cheap they went in 2 countries), to be dressed like princess, have free vacation

The bonus and cherry on the cake is the bachelor. some possibility that he could be the one or become a boyfriend, at worse a friend. The worse that could happen is few kisses and receive or not a rose. not a big deal