The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - ATFR - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* #3

Fingersandtoes wrote:

Mommyof1 wrote:Anymore chatter about Lauren moving to Denver?  Shouldn't she be packing her bags about now?  Yep, I'll watch the feet.  

Nope, not yet. Today she was at a bible study with Ben's mom, tomorrow is his birthday. They have the youth club event on 25th I think. After that they might visit her family in Portland and then head to pack her bags. I don't think anyone expected her to have them packed a week after the finale.

FLChica wrote:

Fingersandtoes wrote:

Mommyof1 wrote:Anymore chatter about Lauren moving to Denver?  Shouldn't she be packing her bags about now?  Yep, I'll watch the feet.  

Nope, not yet. Today she was at a bible study with Ben's mom, tomorrow is his birthday. They have the youth club event on 25th I think. After that they might visit her family in Portland and then head to pack her bags. I don't think anyone expected her to have them packed a week after the finale.

Lauren has had four months to pack her bags, but who's counting?   

The whirlwind week of talk shows is over and normal, real life stuff is happening. Bible study, birthday, bag packing. Fortunately, air travel isn't an issue for Lauren. She can literally move those feet any time she wants to.

FLChica wrote:

Fingersandtoes wrote:

Mommyof1 wrote:Anymore chatter about Lauren moving to Denver?  Shouldn't she be packing her bags about now?  Yep, I'll watch the feet.  

Nope, not yet. Today she was at a bible study with Ben's mom, tomorrow is his birthday. They have the youth club event on 25th I think. After that they might visit her family in Portland and then head to pack her bags. I don't think anyone expected her to have them packed a week after the finale.

Lauren has had four months to pack her bags, but who's counting?   

The whirlwind week of talk shows is over and normal, real life stuff is happening. Bible study, birthday, bag packing. Fortunately, air travel isn't an issue for Lauren. She can literally move those feet any time she wants to.

bleuberry wrote:Actually Des moved to Seattle in under a week , Chris was back at work the following Monday. 

But I dont expect them all to want the same timeline. It sounds exhausting between the excitement, interviews, and family stuff. April sounds good.

FLChica wrote:Lauren has had four months to pack her bags, but who's counting?   

Lucas15 wrote:

FLChica wrote:Lauren has had four months to pack her bags, but who's counting?   

Not really though. Any bag packing or indication of a move would have raised too many eyebrows with so many people watching feet. IMO the show would not have wanted her to do anything until after March 14 except stay put and look like "business as usual".

Lucas15 wrote:

FLChica wrote:Lauren has had four months to pack her bags, but who's counting?   

Not really though. Any bag packing or indication of a move would have raised too many eyebrows with so many people watching feet. IMO the show would not have wanted her to do anything until after March 14 except stay put and look like "business as usual".

Lucas15 wrote:

albean99 wrote:
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I've always thought that Ben looked at Jojo as someone who knows the reality tv score and that's why he felt comfortable with her and thought they were on the same page. I think he had true feelings for her but just not as strong as for Lauren. I also believe that Jojo was hurt but not really in love with Ben. All JMO.

There was a post made back on Feb 9 (IIRC by Kasha) about the Feb 8 show (Episode 6 and the swimming with pigs date) that alluded to how Ben saw JoJo and JoJo's role. It took me until last night to actually find the scene that was referred to but think I did. It's available on this link which is the swimming with pigs date itself and the conversation with JoJo concerns what happened on the date with the girls getting upset and shutting down on Ben after they saw Ben "literally just obsessing over Lauren B the whole time" (Leah said this to Lauren H at 2:31) and Ben talks to JoJo about this beginning at 3:26:

Ben: "JoJo - more than anybody else - you get it. ... You get that it's awkward and that it's hard and that it doesn't make sense and that it doesn't make sense to me or anybody else here sometimes ... You get that people pull me away when I'm talking to somebody else. And you - you understand that"
JoJo: "I think everyone struggles with it though. I don't think it's just me - I think you might be struggling with it as well. No?"
Ben: "Yes"
JoJo: "Is it that easy for you?"
Ben: "No. It's hard for me too, and that's why I feel like so self-conscious of it. I really do. Especially today like I really don't want to [bleep bleep] it."
JoJo: "Yeah. I don't know [hard to decipher what she ends this by saying]

This scene is immediately followed (after an ITM by Ben) by a scene between JoJo and Leah found here beginning at :00

JoJo: "Why do you not feel good. Is it because you haven't talked to him yet?"
Leah: "Yeah, and he like hasn't even tried"
JoJo: "He probably feels uncomfortable., and he probably knows you're upset."
Leah: "Do you think he actually knows that?"
JoJo: "Yeah"

The second scene - though brief - is even more fascinating to me because JoJo is playing "wingman" for Ben - trying to help him recover from all the turmoil caused by Ben's attention to Lauren by talking to the one who is most visibly upset - Leah.

Basically JoJo seems to have been Ben's "confidant" when it comes to issues with the show and the filming of it and the way things "work" and Ben understands that JoJo knows this better than anybody here. I think that this same relationship probably went on quite a bit - JoJo was Ben's support to get through the show and after doing this it's very understandable to me that he would have developed very strong feelings for her and Lauren but I think those feelings were very different - that's just a distinction the show didn't want made.

Ben made it though when he said (in the People Magazine March 28 article:

"[By the end] I had been through a lot with JoJo and Lauren. They had both been a good support to me. There was a reason they were the last two there. At the time [saying "I love you"] was my best definition of how I was feeling."

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