The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - MTP -LCD - FRC - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

I have no horse in this race but if I Was Jojo and F2, i would call him out on how he acted and especially on his blogs saying things like "she can trust me with her heart".
He really didnt need for this show to go the way ot has done imo. Even the way he told his mom about the 2 women loving him was cocky like he was showing off. He need some growing up to do.

see2love wrote:I have no horse in this race but if I Was Jojo and F2, i would call him out on how he acted and especially on his blogs saying things like "she can trust me with her heart".
He really didnt need for this show to go the way ot has done imo. Even the way he told his mom about the 2 women loving him was cocky like he was showing off. He need some growing up to do.

perfect Ben (ten) has really sunk to minus 10.

Look at the height of Ben's eyes talking to final 2 in the SC above, i think Lanren is taller than Jojo, so it might be Jojo he's talking to.
What do you think, do you have SC to compare ?

agentcurls wrote:I know Jamaica is humid, but Ben's hair went through some changes that eventful day (or was it two days?) 

I don't think his hair is all that different. The second and third screencaps have obviously been flipped because his mole is magically on his right cheek instead of his left. But that spiky little piece on the left side of his forehead looks the same in all the images. It would have been nice if the hair and makeup people had given him a mirror before the F1 arrived, though, because his 'do in that last screencap could use a little work.

Eagle Eye wrote:

agentcurls wrote:I know Jamaica is humid, but Ben's hair went through some changes that eventful day (or was it two days?) 

I don't think his hair is all that different. The second and third screencaps have obviously been flipped because his mole is magically on his right cheek instead of his left. But that spiky little piece on the left side of his forehead looks the same in all the images. It would have been nice if the hair and makeup people had given him a mirror before the F1 arrived, though, because his 'do in that last screencap could use a little work.

I'm grasping here...
What about the numbered medianet pics...this I am clueless about. Lauren's set of pics start at 2075.jpeg. 
When does the camera turn over to a new set of pics, say from the 1000's to the 2000's? TIA

Crazylady29 wrote:

Diana wrote:He told Lauren "I've know I'm in love you for a while now too"

i meant that he confessed to jojo his feelings about lauren.

Here again did anyone see Ben say those words from the bathroom scene? No. they were a voice over and could have been recorded even after the season concluded or could be inserted from other conversations. In my opinion, the editors on this show know what they are doing and are not above showing an out and out fabrication to mislead the audience especially in the previews.

Apparently I look at this differently than many of you... I don't necessarily feel like the bathroom conversation gives us any indication of who he chooses in the end.

If any part of the preview makes me have any ideas about who his F1 is (which I take all previews with a grain of salt; they should all be called teasers, because that is their purpose), I would think the fact that the preview shows him saying I love you to JoJo multiple times and Lauren only once? (I think?) is them trying to convince viewers of his and JoJo's stronger connection so as to throw off that Lauren is F1.

Also, if this idea that he blindsided his F2 is to be believed or if she was expecting a ring and didn't get it (as US Magazine states), then that makes me think that Lauren is F1 as well. I say this because in no way does it seem like Lauren was told and made to feel like she should expect the ring. She is crying and worried and consistently looks nervous... that is not the face of someone expecting the ring. Not saying she necessarily expected to go home, just more that she had no clue how things would turn out. At the end of lasts week's episode and from the previews of next week's, it seems like JoJo was definitely the more confident of the two. Lauren was already questioning whether or not he loved them both at the end of the last episode, so she didn't take his ILY as to mean F1 so much as JoJo initially did, I don't think.

bilolo wrote:Look at the height of Ben's eyes talking to final 2 in the SC above, i think Lanren is taller than Jojo, so it might be Jojo he's talking to.
What do you think, do you have SC to compare ?

My own SCs
 "Any other time, I couldn't imagine saying good bye to you" SC at top.
I would have to lean towards that being JoJo because if it was Lauren (not in the frame), his gaze would be more upwards maybe. Or maybe his gaze should be more down if it's Jo out of frame. 
It's confusing.

agentcurls wrote:

bilolo wrote:Look at the height of Ben's eyes talking to final 2 in the SC above, i think Lanren is taller than Jojo, so it might be Jojo he's talking to.
What do you think, do you have SC to compare ?

My own SCs
 "Any other time, I couldn't imagine saying good bye to you" SC at top.
I would have to lean towards that being JoJo because if it was Lauren (not in the frame), his gaze would be more upwards maybe. Or maybe his gaze should be more down if it's Jo out of frame. 
It's confusing.

I thought in the clip from the final rose ceremony, he's just doing an ITM, not actually speaking to F1 or F2 but I could be completely wrong....

^He was saying "Any other time I couldn't imagine saying good bye to you" in that SC. (from preview at the end of epi 6)

That's a tough call. JoJo is considerably shorter than Ben. I don't feel his gaze at the FRC is looking downward enough to be talking to JoJo. Jmo.

agentcurls wrote:^He was saying "Any other time I couldn't imagine saying good bye to you" in that SC. (from preview at the end of epi 6)

Shown saying it or a voice over? If the former, then please disregard my comment !