The Bachelorette - Season 12 - JoJo Fletcher - General Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2

california90 wrote:I think if Caila is the next 'ette, people will still watch, but not invested. And maybe that is a GOOD thing because expectations will probably be pretty low and people will focus on the guys and not her.

TWT as well when the season airs. Last season everyone was SO hyped on Kaitlyn. Then all that energy and hype turned to hate to the point everyone loved Britt again. I'll be curious about fan reactions now versus later. I sense hatred in some fans now, but I bet TPTB have something up their sleeve with the guys or cast some as*hole-ish guys for fans to re-channel their hate on them instead.

I've written before, when expectations for the lead are low, they have nowhere to go but up. Those that are loved, have nowhere to go but down.

Personally, while I like Ben, I'm not that into him or his season. He seems like a nice enough guy, but he comes across as rather bland ... vanilla ... if you will. I'm sure if I met him in real life, I would like him as a friend, but on this show, I'm just not drawn in. Of course, someone else may feel differently and feel totally into this season. Different strokes for different folks and that is why the producers are so good. There is usually someone each season that any member of the audience can relate to or be attracted to or dislike or root for. There is usually someone for each of us that keeps us tuning in...year after year...and if Caila is the next bette, her season will be no exceptions. At worst, as the article states, people can hate watch and as long as they keep watching, the producers don't mind.

@Sprite. Agreed. I like Ben but I thought the hype about him was so silly and it hurt him more than anything. He's a normal, regular guy and that's okay. I just don't have a taste for vanilla alone. I need sprinkles to go with it and Ben doesn't have any. None of the male leads have ever done a thing for me though.

I finally figured out who Caila reminds me of: She's the female Ames! He was one of my favorite contestants ever. Ames-isms!

I think Caila and Jojo are equally beautiful, sexy, together women each in their own way.    I would never compare who should be Ette based on their looks, but that's just me.  I do prefer someone I think can carry the show well, handle the men and the drama and someone I'm more invested in so for me Caila is disappointing in that regard only.  She didn't have a great tv presence IMO. But I'll be happy to watch as always.  I don't dislike her at all and hope she does great. :Nod:

She does have a similar path as Ben who I was indifferent to as Bachelor and still really am.  He's a fine, nice guy.  Just does nothing for me personally and is too young IMO.  Caila was sweet the first couple episodes but then just seemed awkward and unable to put on the act they wanted her to with much success IMO.  And she'll have a whole lot more act putting on to do as lead so I hope she can pull it off better than she did with Ben. 

I think Caila was probably decided on before this season aired and put in the F3 slot by producers for that reason.  Now that they see that there's not a huge amount of fan support to see her journey continue, I'm sure there will be lots of public dates and spoiled hot guy pics so the attention turns to them.  Usually on the Bachelorette the fans fall for the guys and are rooting for them the most anyway.

bluwavz wrote:@Sprite. Agreed. I like Ben but I thought the hype about him was so silly and it hurt him more than anything. He's a normal, regular guy and that's okay. I just don't have a taste for vanilla alone. I need sprinkles to go with it and Ben doesn't have any. None of the male leads have ever done a thing for me though.

I'm not partial to plain vanilla either. Here in Canada we have the Loblaws grocery chain and they have a French vanilla ice cream with chocolate crackle that I love. If only they could make a Bachelor to match our favourite ice cream flavours!

nothatgirl wrote:

california90 wrote:I think if Caila is the next 'ette, people will still watch, but not invested. And maybe that is a GOOD thing because expectations will probably be pretty low and people will focus on the guys and not her.

TWT as well when the season airs. Last season everyone was SO hyped on Kaitlyn. Then all that energy and hype turned to hate to the point everyone loved Britt again. I'll be curious about fan reactions now versus later. I sense hatred in some fans now, but I bet TPTB have something up their sleeve with the guys or cast some as*hole-ish guys for fans to re-channel their hate on them instead.

They've already started, with US Weekly leaking Aaron Rodgers' brother. When have they ever released a contestant, who happens to be a "celebrity", before filming even started? This is their way of turning the topic of conversation away from Caila as quickly as possible, IMO. And, it's working!

And, JMO, but Caila and Ben are completely different. Caila reminds me more a mix between Ashley I, Kelsey, Britt, and a bit of Jake pavelka. Ben's like a politician - he probably is rehearsed and faking his sincerity at times, but he sells it well; he comes off as really polished, easy-going and likable. IMO.

Per the bolded:
The way I see the leak of Aaron Rodgers is for the audience to begin fanning on him ASAP. I seriously see this as a way to subliminally get him accepted by the masses from the gitgo so that the scripting of him making it to F3 or at the least the F6 appears au natural. This is exactly how production works. Let the audience think it's their idea. All the while we, the audience, are being subliminally fed.
I actually see Caila as a younger, slightly less mature Sharleen. She has not fully come into her own yet. Hopefully, she will.

nothatgirl wrote:

california90 wrote:I think if Caila is the next 'ette, people will still watch, but not invested. And maybe that is a GOOD thing because expectations will probably be pretty low and people will focus on the guys and not her.

TWT as well when the season airs. Last season everyone was SO hyped on Kaitlyn. Then all that energy and hype turned to hate to the point everyone loved Britt again. I'll be curious about fan reactions now versus later. I sense hatred in some fans now, but I bet TPTB have something up their sleeve with the guys or cast some as*hole-ish guys for fans to re-channel their hate on them instead.

They've already started, with US Weekly leaking Aaron Rodgers' brother. When have they ever released a contestant, who happens to be a "celebrity", before filming even started? This is their way of turning the topic of conversation away from Caila as quickly as possible, IMO. And, it's working!

And, JMO, but Caila and Ben are completely different. Caila reminds me more a mix between Ashley I, Kelsey, Britt, and a bit of Jake pavelka. Ben's like a politician - he probably is rehearsed and faking his sincerity at times, but he sells it well; he comes off as really polished, easy-going and likable. IMO.

Every Bach/Ette Lead has their pros and cons.  Some people like them and others do not.  I find it a sad commentary on our society that people think it is okay to "HATE" any of these people for whatever reason because the are on a reality TV dating show.

I was not thrilled with Ben being the Lead and yet I looked forward to watching his season.  I certainly don't dislike Ben as a person.  I felt his season might be boring and I thought it was until the last episode.  That said I find Ben to be a genuine person.  I think his emotional meltdown in the finale will be real not faked.

This season I have been drawn to Caila.  Not as someone I thought was the best match for Ben BUT because I find Caila to be a genuine person. What some see as confusing...I see as someone being rational as they try to process real thoughts and feelings inside the Bubble.  I like Caila because she is different and stands out in the crowd in a good way to my way of thinking.  I appreciate that she is Positive, Smily, Friendly, Fun, Educated, Cultured and Beautiful.  I also enjoy that she is well traveled and has a global viewpoint.  For these reasons and many others that is why I hope Caila will be the next Bachelorette.

If for some reason they choose someone else, I'll be disappointed but I will watch their season just as I watched Ben's.  And I will not dislike them or hate them for the person they are.  

Every season I will do what I like best which is to sleuth.  I will also enjoy coming to the forum and sharing common and divergent opinions with my fellow forum members.  This makes the seasons viewing so much more enjoyable to me regardless of who is the Lead or the Cast.

I always remember this is a highly edited TV show BUT the cast are not actors....they are REAL people playing a role that has been edited for them by TPTB.  REAL people have real feelings and hating them for something as trivial as being on a reality TV dating show says way more about the hat8rs issues than the cast member.
For me personally there is a fine line.  I will criticize and snark on things I don't like within the confines of the forum BUT I would never reach out with negativity on SM to any of these people IRL.

JMO

I mean, I don't hate Caila and I've never gone to SM to trash her or anything. I'm not a troll. I do find her unbearable to watch, though, and I think I'm allowed to have that opinion. IMO.

bluwavz wrote:@Sprite. Agreed. I like Ben but I thought the hype about him was so silly and it hurt him more than anything. He's a normal, regular guy and that's okay. I just don't have a taste for vanilla alone. I need sprinkles to go with it and Ben doesn't have any. None of the male leads have ever done a thing for me though.

Hahahahaha..... Agreed too.  There has never been a Bachelor Lead I would have been interested IRL either.

I will take my scoop of French Vanilla Bean Ice Cream with Peanut Butter Topping, Dark Chocolate Chips and Marshmallow Fluff.

california90 wrote:I think if Caila is the next 'ette, people will still watch, but not invested. And maybe that is a GOOD thing because expectations will probably be pretty low and people will focus on the guys and not her.

Some people have ALWAYS watched the Bachelorette for the guys as eye candy rather than the female lead. And some of us also don't worry about being "invested" in somebody else's possible relationship. We don't stress about the intimacies of people we only see on the TV screen. We don't rail and wail and clutch our pearls or gnash our teeth when we encounter a participant on the show we may not care for.

We know it's strictly entertainment and the eventual outcome will in no way impact our own personal lives. That's the way I watch this show, and I know many others do to.

Seabear wrote:
Hahahahaha..... Agreed too.  There has never been a Bachelor Lead I would have been interested IRL either.

Josh Murray is the only one that ever really interested me as a contestant, so I'm sad he was never made lead.

Kashathediva wrote:

nothatgirl wrote:

california90 wrote:I think if Caila is the next 'ette, people will still watch, but not invested. And maybe that is a GOOD thing because expectations will probably be pretty low and people will focus on the guys and not her.

TWT as well when the season airs. Last season everyone was SO hyped on Kaitlyn. Then all that energy and hype turned to hate to the point everyone loved Britt again. I'll be curious about fan reactions now versus later. I sense hatred in some fans now, but I bet TPTB have something up their sleeve with the guys or cast some as*hole-ish guys for fans to re-channel their hate on them instead.

They've already started, with US Weekly leaking Aaron Rodgers' brother. When have they ever released a contestant, who happens to be a "celebrity", before filming even started? This is their way of turning the topic of conversation away from Caila as quickly as possible, IMO. And, it's working!

And, JMO, but Caila and Ben are completely different. Caila reminds me more a mix between Ashley I, Kelsey, Britt, and a bit of Jake pavelka. Ben's like a politician - he probably is rehearsed and faking his sincerity at times, but he sells it well; he comes off as really polished, easy-going and likable. IMO.

Per the bolded:
The way I see the leak of Aaron Rodgers is for the audience to begin fanning on him ASAP. I seriously see this as a way to subliminally get him accepted by the masses from the gitgo so that the scripting of him making it to F3 or at the least the F6 appears au natural. This is exactly how production works. Let the audience think it's their idea. All the while we, the audience, are being subliminally fed.
I actually see Caila as a younger, slightly less mature Sharleen. She has not fully come into her own yet. Hopefully, she will.

I agree Kasha, except for the subliminally part this time.  It really couldn't be more obvious, I would imagine to even to most casual fan, that there's probably a plan in place with the casting of a hugely popular NFL star's brother, JMO.