The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 9 - Discussion - #3 *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

KBiegs88 wrote:

allicat wrote:How is almost everyone convinced that Lauren is F1? Is it mostly because of RS and the US weekly article? I was pretty sure she was too up until now. Between the People blogs, Ben's recent couple interviews, and a lot of poking around SM posts (mainly Lo's friends and herself)have all lead me to believe now that Jojo is F1 and RS was told the wrong ending.

I feel the exact opposite. Without knowing the spoilers I would say the FRC could honestly go either way. But after all the post filming clues I don't thibk it could be anyone but Lauren. Between ben's friends following her on SM and her family following him, SHV possibilities, SM hiatus's ect..I don't see how Jojo could be F1. I also find her Twitter activity (promoting/liking everything wrote about her & Ben) a little odd if she was in fact the F1. All IMO of course.

I think the post-show SM clues have mostly been in Lauren's favor too. I actually consider that the biggest indicator, since it's something that TPTB can't control, unlike the show's edit and the lead's blogs/interviews. Unless they start paying people off someday, which let's hope not

JMO

I watched this weeks show with two unspoiled people and after the show I asked them who they thought the F1 is and they both picked Lauren B. I then spoiled them (because they asked me to) and pointed them to this site

Hi everyone i have a question don't know the most appropriate thread to post it but.... that heart felt ILY Ben tells jojo on LCD what does everyone think about that??? He knows he loves both women yet keeps telling them he loves them both i thought it was going to perhaps halt after the FDs but no..Ben has no control. That particular ILY to jojo though my goodness it was soooo intimate i wonder how the conversation went that he said that.... i really hope the rumors spread that he was conflicted even picking out the ring are wrong or kept going back and forth until the very last minute are wrong. That is what will be the most hurtful i think. The happiest day of your life getting proposed and then to know the guy was so conflicted...

Wish BenLo the best

allicat wrote:How is almost everyone convinced that Lauren is F1? Is it mostly because of RS and the US weekly article? I was pretty sure she was too up until now. Between the People blogs, Ben's recent couple interviews, and a lot of poking around SM posts (mainly Lo's friends and herself)have all lead me to believe now that Jojo is F1 and RS was told the wrong ending.

Curious what SN posts of Lauren's and her friends lead you to believe that? I understand how the other things could convince you but I haven't noticed anything in Lauren's that indicate either way.

jupi wrote:

KBiegs88 wrote:

allicat wrote:How is almost everyone convinced that Lauren is F1? Is it mostly because of RS and the US weekly article? I was pretty sure she was too up until now. Between the People blogs, Ben's recent couple interviews, and a lot of poking around SM posts (mainly Lo's friends and herself)have all lead me to believe now that Jojo is F1 and RS was told the wrong ending.

I feel the exact opposite. Without knowing the spoilers I would say the FRC could honestly go either way. But after all the post filming clues I don't thibk it could be anyone but Lauren. Between ben's friends following her on SM and her family following him, SHV possibilities, SM hiatus's ect..I don't see how Jojo could be F1. I also find her Twitter activity (promoting/liking everything wrote about her & Ben) a little odd if she was in fact the F1. All IMO of course.

I think the post-show SM clues have mostly been in Lauren's favor too. I actually consider that the biggest indicator, since it's something that TPTB can't control, unlike the show's edit and the lead's blogs/interviews. Unless they start paying people off someday, which let's hope not

JMO

What about his interviews makes you think Jojo?

Tiggerlgh wrote:I watched this weeks show with two unspoiled people and after the show I asked them who they thought the F1 is and they both picked Lauren B.   I then spoiled them (because they asked me to) and pointed them to this site

Interesting. Did they say why the picked Lauren over JoJo?

when does the WTA all thread go up?

ForeverLove wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:Probably.
If you go back to the producers intentions, it amounts to a social dating experiment within a short time frame(10 weeks? Less?)
There is a storyline sketched out about season ahead of time. They are already putting feelers out for a prospective TB next fall.

They have the storyline in mind ahead of time? Then look for the "characters"? Wow! Consider my mind blown! So the manipulation is to produce the predetermined outcome? I thought they'd let things play out while filming and as things go on, build a storyline. So this season was predetermined to be torn between two lovers?

Feeling like a fool
Loving both of you
Is breaking all the rules

I agree with Kasha and have heard the very same thing over the years. The "torn between two lovers" is one of the most common storylines of all as it makes for good drama at the end - who will the lead pick? The only real innovation this season, IMO, is that the lead tells two girls he loves them not at the FRC (which is what Sean did) but before then; otherwise this season is really the same storyline as Sean's (including a similar villain - substitute Olivia for Tierra).

ETA - to add to the list of season similarities - the justification for how the lead picked F1 is identical - F1 was the one the lead couldn't leave behind.

In spite of all that is pre-planned and scripted, sometimes something special happens and there have been happy marriages resulting. I always hope for these outcomes even though I am disappointed more often that not.

Maybe I'm just reading into everything too much. I don't know.

As for the SM stuff. One of Lauren's  good friends posted something on twitter like Your turtle date was so cute but it had the crying emoji, not the crying tears of joy emoji....so I read that as she feels sorry for her....and this is a friend that knows the outcome of this pretty certain. As for Bryant liking his friends twitter post doesn't hold a lot of weight for me I guess. Every episode they are always hilariously poking fun of Ben and this whole thing.

As for Ben's recent interviews...the dog comment stood out huge to me. Jojo has a dog whom she talks about a lot  and Lauren's family dog died 6 months ago, even though it was on TV recently, it seemed odd to bring up in the interview unless it was about Jojo and she's trying to get full custody of it .

What did he say about the dog?

ALso, I've used the wrong tears before when I meant tears of joy and i used the other one.

mizzoufan wrote:when does the WTA all thread go up?

It's been up.
You can find it here. link

It was the Extratv interview I think. I don't remember exactly what he said but it was something like if she wants to talk about her dog.. it was so random to bring up to me and it was fast and his face seemed like oh crap I shouldn't have said that. What he said too me rang true to Jojo not Lauren.