The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 9 - Discussion - #3 *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

ForeverLove wrote:

Ladybug82 wrote:The vast majority of the time when it comes to the bachelor, the male lead does indeed chase his F1.  24+ will be chasing the bachelor and he's chasing a single girl.  It's not exclusive to Lauren and Ben.  

Follow the feet is a classic guide to sleuthing out the F1, IMO, from all the observing and reading of posts I did in the old days when there was actually lots to sleuth (pre-RS spoiler days).

JMO.

Is that why Lucas used that term? Very interesting it's used for sleuthing out F1!

It may be why anyone else has used it because it has been around for a l-o-n-g time. Long.

Ladybug82 wrote:The vast majority of the time when it comes to the bachelor, the male lead does indeed chase his F1.  24+ will be chasing the bachelor and he's chasing a single girl.  It's not exclusive to Lauren and Ben.  

Follow the feet is a classic guide to sleuthing out the F1, IMO, from all the observing and reading of posts I did in the old days when there was actually lots to sleuth (pre-RS spoiler days).

JMO.

Yes, thats one of the main clues that was a give away to Brad choosing Emily over Chantal . He was always doing special little things for Em while Chantal was doing the chasing of him

ForeverLove wrote:

Ladybug82 wrote:The vast majority of the time when it comes to the bachelor, the male lead does indeed chase his F1.  24+ will be chasing the bachelor and he's chasing a single girl.  It's not exclusive to Lauren and Ben.  

Follow the feet is a classic guide to sleuthing out the F1, IMO, from all the observing and reading of posts I did in the old days when there was actually lots to sleuth (pre-RS spoiler days).

JMO.

Is that why Lucas used that term? Very interesting it's used for sleuthing out F1!

Actually .. It's been used for several years .. Edit to MANY LOL

Rdjbb wrote:

traveler90 wrote:

iamreal2u wrote:I finally was able to watch the episode.  I watched JoJo first and then LoLo.

!) At no point did Ben say "I'm in love with you" to JoJo or on camera.  He said many times that he loved Jojo.  Once he said I'm in love with JoJo but it did not seem like the same sentenced off camera, and another time on camera he said that if he is in love with JoJo....  They really have fun together .  Noticed that JoJo and Ben at a pillow separation when they were lying on the bed.

2) At 1:26 of this video did Ben whispered or breathed I love you to Lauren?  Think I am hearing things
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3) It was funny when Ben just handed the card to Lauren.  He seemed so emotional that he could not talk.  Poor guy.  Lauren is the only person he said he's in love to on camera.  Also noticed that he did not show when Ben and Lauren met for the night just them walking to dinner.

4) Did not watch Caila.  To painful.

Overall it was not as bad as I thought it would be.  Ben was in the moment on all his dates at least the two that I watched.  Can't wait for finale.

I listened to the video numerous times after you mentioned it and I even think he whispered or breathed I'm in love with you. But great catch  

RE 2 - When they're on the beach????  I don't hear anything.  Ugh!

Yes, when they're on the beach. Maybe I'm also imagining things because that's what I want to hear

The only "real" tears I've seen from FD and LCD is Lauren. It was commemted on with SC's. Jmo

Jeepers wrote:

ForeverLove wrote:

Ladybug82 wrote:The vast majority of the time when it comes to the bachelor, the male lead does indeed chase his F1.  24+ will be chasing the bachelor and he's chasing a single girl.  It's not exclusive to Lauren and Ben.  

Follow the feet is a classic guide to sleuthing out the F1, IMO, from all the observing and reading of posts I did in the old days when there was actually lots to sleuth (pre-RS spoiler days).

JMO.

Is that why Lucas used that term? Very interesting it's used for sleuthing out F1!

Actually .. It's been used for several years .. Edit to MANY LOL

Thank you. Watch the feet. I like that.

But are you completely sure Ben isn't chasing JoJo also? 
It hasn't been quite as noticeable, that's for sure, but maybe more subtle.

ForeverLove wrote:The only "real" tears I've seen from FD and LCD is Lauren. It was commemted on with SC's. Jmo

Tears when she is with Ben or ITMs?

To me one thing is painfully obvious in this episode.  Ben truly believes he is in love with two women and he tells both of them ILY repeatedly.  I believe that Ben will choose Lauren B at the end because of the spoilers BUT the most real ILY moment for me was with JoJo at the waterfall.  Her expression was so revealing, raw and naked emotional happiness and relief.  She (thought she) knew what in the framework of the Bachelor what this meant.  Ben to JoJo ... I love you too JoJo.  JoJo.. What?  Are you allowed to say that??  Ben...I'm not. At least that seems very very real to me.  And it was filmed 1st.  To me Ben has been captivated by Lauren and has been in love with her too. Lauren is the girl he never thought he would find.  She also is closest to his "fantasy" look.  On paper she seems a more similar pick family background wise. I think Ben's decision will be agonizing for him and devastating for his F2.  Ben would have been a much nicer person in my eyes if he had exercised impulse control (I realize he has none) and kept his ILY's for the FRC.  And don't even get me started on the FS "activity" x 3.  I am curious just how his Besnick will go down.  Looking forward to March 14.

JMO

agentcurls wrote:But are you completely sure Ben isn't chasing JoJo also? 
It hasn't been quite as noticeable, that's for sure, but maybe more subtle.

How can you gauge subtle vs not subtle ? To me the not subtle is not sure but the one that's obvious is because it is?

agentcurls wrote:

ForeverLove wrote:The only "real" tears I've seen from FD and LCD is Lauren. It was commemted on with SC's. Jmo

Tears when she is with Ben or ITMs?

Both. But I thought tears were mentioned . Speaking to tears from Lauren , it shows real pain imo.

I'm fine with the Queen's approach. If I was 1 of the 25-30 women who signed up for this you damn well better believe I'd make whatever male specimen they've chosen to pursue me. That's the only way I'd remotely believe any BS that comes out of the lead's mouth. I would never pursue the lead! When you offer yourself on a platter to a man, the majority of them are going to take it whether they have feelings for you or not. Lauren is a smart lady keeping her emotions in check. Ben is the one I question with his ridiculous proclamations of love to two women. For all I know he was just saying that because the producers told him to or to get the women to go to bed with him. #TeamQueen