The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 9 - Discussion - #2 *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

I rewatched the episode and was reminded of another thing that annoyed me. When Ben and Caila sat down at the jerky place, he said "I feel like that day (HTD) you weren't anxious, were you? And then like today you said you were anxious, so... just ??? the emotional rollercoaster at all...". He seemed so annoyed saying that, it really threw me. It's like he can't handle any negative energy without getting testy about it.

Wow! But if Ben didn't love JoJo, to go so far as saying ILY because of the connivings of TPTB seems a bit much, but I guess not impossible.

agentcurls wrote:^he said it to JoJo first, though. 
JoJo's date was actually before Lauren's. They chose to air JoJo's date last, though.

Well she may be wrong about actually saying it to JoJo first. But I still think him saying it to JoJo was producer driven, because they knew how obvious Ben was with Lauren.

well I'm sure she doesn't read the spoilers so she would not have known that lauren was actually filmed last.

aviej wrote:Wow! But if Ben didn't love JoJo, to go so far as saying ILY because of the connivings of TPTB seems a bit much, but I guess not impossible.

Yea he def shouldn't have said it, but I just really think they convinced him to do it. They couldn't have it be so obvious with Lauren, they had to show some doubt.

I really hope Ben meant what he said to JoJo, at least on some level, because that's still loads better than saying it just because the producers told him to. I did see some strong feelings there, especially the morning after. Maybe the sex was just that good.

aviej wrote:Wow! But if Ben didn't love JoJo, to go so far as saying ILY because of the connivings of TPTB seems a bit much, but I guess not impossible.

Either way he looks bad, IMO. If he said it of his own free will, it makes him seem immature and fickle; if he said it due to producer input, it makes him seem spineless and easily manipulated. Either way, he doesn't seem like a guy ready for marriage.

Yea I think he really cares for JoJo and likes her as a person, but he can only choose one. So in a sense has to "lead" one girl on until the end.

And also, Ben just looks so tired and done with this whole thing in these last few episodes. IMO you can really just tell he wants it to be done, and is tired of the production and leading girls on.

I wouldn't belittle Ben and Jojo relationship just to enhance and save Lauren's.
It may not be the trend, especially here, but I do see a real love story between Ben and Jojo, something strong, not only physical, but passionate and with deep feelings, not producers induced.
There are some gestures, look in the eyes, smiles that were not staged but genuine.
IMO.

I guess it's hard for people to think Ben could really love JoJo. But why wouldn't he? She's been so nurturing towards him, so kind-hearted, fun-loving, someone he could be himself with, etc, added bonus: very pretty, "the twins", haha. 
Maybe he loved her in his own way and was expressing that love. 
If his heart was set on Lauren he could've spared her the trouble, of course.  But I can't blame the guy....he was having a nice moment with someone with whom he cared a lot about.

sde1041 wrote:I wouldn't belittle Ben and Jojo relationship just to enhance and save Lauren's.
It may not be the trend, especially here, but I do see a real love story between Ben and Jojo, something strong, not only physical, but passionate and with deep feelings, not producers induced.
There are some gestures, look in the eyes, smiles that were not staged but genuine.
IMO.

I agree that their relationship seems genuine. In fact, I actually think they have a stronger foundation of friendship and honestly whereas Lauren/Ben seems like pure infatuation, but that's a whole other topic. My issue is that Ben was never conflicted. He knew he was never going to let Lauren go. Even if he felt love for Jojo, he shouldn't have said it; he knew it would give her false confidence and hope, which is just going too far, IMO.

sde1041 wrote:I wouldn't belittle Ben and Jojo relationship just to enhance and save Lauren's.
It may not be the trend, especially here, but I do see a real love story between Ben and Jojo, something strong, not only physical, but passionate and with deep feelings, not producers induced.
There are some gestures, look in the eyes, smiles that were not staged but genuine.
IMO.

no one is trying to save lauren's because there is no reason to do that. I honestly don't see a real love story between ben and jojo but thats just me.

While i like jojo i just don't see her with ben. She is too spunky and probably could use someone who isn't well ben. He is a little bit to mellow for her.