The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 9 - Discussion - #2 *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

Miyala wrote:Sean wrote on twitter that he is not sure Ben knows what love means… hm… isn't he the one saying he was in love with both but a lot of people couldn't believe that was true… I think we just got our answer...

What do you mean?

so finished watching the episode and i'm so mad at Ben right now! He feels like a completely different Ben than he was on Kaitlyn's season and right now I'm basically mourning the old Ben. I still feel that Lauren is the F1 and I love their relationship but not as much as I used to because of what happened with JoJo but i'm hoping that changes. I absolutely loved the part where Ben and Lauren were praying together - so cute! Also, Chris Harrison's face when Lauren said that Ben told her he loved her when JoJo said the same thing seconds before was just priceless!

I feel like 'Ben H' and 'Ben the Bachelor' are just two different people!

Just wanted to make a brief observation after having slept on it. I think a 26 yr old guy who can say i love you so many times to two different girls in the span of a few days .... Probably isn really in love but experiencing some deep feelings and is highly confused inside his little bachelor bubble. And having watched this show for so many years nobody can convince me that totb werent encouraging it , telling him it was the right thing to do

Miyala wrote:Sean wrote on twitter that he is not sure Ben knows what love means… hm… isn't he the one saying he was in love with both but a lot of people couldn't believe that was true… I think we just got our answer...

Sean and his better than everyone attitude got old so fast.

Here's my take on it...

Ben said if he didn't feel like he was in love with JoJo by the time the date ended, he'd have to let her go, but with Lauren, he said he's ALWAYS known. It's not contest. He was confused by "little Ben" feelings, not over who he loved more.

I think with Lauren he is genuinely in love with her but with JoJo it's just a lot of confused feelings as I don't feel he looks at her the same way he looks at Lauren and you can just see the love with Lauren whereas with JoJo I just see a lot of deep feelings that could turn into love but aren't love yet. I think Ben maybe got really confused with the whole process and told JoJo he loved her - and then he obviously had to tell Lauren as well because she's the one he truly loves and that's why he told her more than once, to reassure her. The producers then decided to play with the whole 'loves two people thing' and use it to their advantage but IMO I don't feel his relationship with JoJo is the same level as it is with Lauren

Also, you know the producers planted seeds of doubt where Lauren was concerned, so he went for it with JoJo. He did look shocked about Lauren's declaration of love before the "holy crap" she does love me look.

JoJo = friendship, lust

Lauren = Love, marriage, forever

northernviewer wrote:Just wanted to make a brief observation after having slept on it.   I think a 26 yr old guy who can say i love you so many times to two different girls in the span of a few days .... Probably isn really in love but experiencing some deep feelings and is highly confused inside his little bachelor bubble.  And having watched this show for so many years nobody can convince me that totb werent encouraging it , telling him it was the right thing to do

ITA nv. I'm sure his head was spinning at this point. I think we will get a resolution before the ATFR segment, even if it's not how we wanted it to go down. I can just see TPTB drooling over this ATFR taping and I hope that everyone can manage to hold it together and not freak out. I think this season I could totally see them using F2 as the bachelorette and being able to run with it smoothly. Jojo has commented at least twice how strong Ben and LB's obvious connection is and she will come out and be supportive and graceful and understanding and take the job. JMO obvs.

Also the past couple of episodes Caila has grown on me a little bit so I wouldn't mind if she did become the bachelorette

IMO the thing that will 'redeem' Ben in the end will be Lauren and JoJo. They seem to genuinely like each other, and that will save Ben from the wrath. A cute comment like 'I fell a little bit for JoJo too, she's so amazing' from Lauren would cover for Ben a lot. And 'we all saw how head over heels for Lauren Ben was/is' from JoJo will do the same.