The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 9 - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

Ladybug82 wrote:

mindless wrote:I wonder if he sends Caila home before the RC, if she shows up at his place.

Do we know whose FD was filmed first, JoJo's or Lauren's? I have some vague memory of a helicopter flying around a day or two after Caila's date, so that might mean JoJo's was first. If he told JoJo ILY first, then it would explain why he looked a bit teary-eyed telling Lauren.

From the looks of our last updated filming chart it looks like it went Calia, Lauren, Jojo.  Calia and Ben were spotted out on their date on the 7th.  I went and double checked RS to see if he had anything different.  He doesn't have them all laid out in detail, just says Calia's date was spoiled on twitter and then goes on to say normal 3 dates and RC with 1 (Calia) being let go.  So that leaves Lauren in between unless dates were swapped somehow and we didn't/haven't realized it.  But matching the description to the info we have looks like she would have to be the middle date.  

Epi 9  FD   -   Sandal's Royal Plantation / Sandal's Ochi Riviera
11/5-6   Travel          FD's in Jamaica
11/7   FD1  -  Caila, fireworks @11PM - ocean swim - all at Sandal's Royal Plantation
11/8 - FD2 -
11/8  - Caila seen walking around Sandal's Ocho Grand Riviera Resort
11/9 FD3 - heli tour,
11/10 RC - Ballroom at Ochi Riviera closed from before dinner to after midnight - per source

No Discussion - Filming Schedule - Thread

I don't think that schedule is correct though. It was a guess based on the RC maybe being on the 10th because the ballroom was closed, but I think it's been proven false since the FRC wasn't until the 18th. They usually have a day between FD's for obvious reasons. They stay up most of the night doing lord knows what, so can't really go to another long date just hours later. I think it was Caila on the 7th, JoJo on the 9th, and Lauren on the 11th.

^^^^That's true!  I forgot about all the back and forth of when the FRC was.  I wondered why there wasn't a day in between each on that schedule and that's the main reason I went to see if RS had anything on his site we could add to and/or edit blank spaces in ours.

Your schedule sounds more realistic time frame wise and that would mean that it would've been Calia, Jojo then Lauren in filming order.  So if they change the order of viewing to Calia, Lauren then Jojo, it's probably just to ramp up the drama and lead into even more first in bachelor history or the most dramatic ___________ (fill in the blank).

Yes, it's making me think that we'll get to see Ben's ILY to JoJo after all. They want everyone to think "Wow, game over!" when he says he's in love with Lauren, but then he'll say it to JoJo too and everyone will be shocked. While in reality he said it to JoJo first and that's why he looked so sad when saying it to Lauren. He was probably thinking he'd royally messed things up. JMO.

Didn't Brad tell Emily he loved her too ?

Why would Bachelor Nation be shocked by the ILYs - they have been openly promoting it for weeks? Could it be something else?

I always take TPTB predictions of a shocker with a shovel of salt.  They've been selling us the line that for the first time in Bachelor history the Bach tells two women he loves them, when as has been pointed out, most recently by nutty1, Andy Baldwin did too.  Sean also told Lindsey he loved her albeit it was followed by a "but..."  

My theory is MF was convinced somehow to somewhat show the Ben\Lauren love story and seemingly obvious F1, but of course had to throw in Lace\Olivia\Leah drama as  a distraction. Now with the drama queens gone and the Becca "blindside" behind us, JoJo coming off a disastrous (imo) HTD, they need us to believe there is still suspense  as to who he will choose from F2. They have to plant doubt that Lauren is F1.

They always want the ratings, but this is their 20th season which they've made a big deal of and they'd love to outdo whatever their record is for ratings. A casual viewer of the show- sometimes tunes in but doesn't watch every episode -hears from a co worker\friend or sees a rag mag cover at the supermarket, that there is a "shocker" and tunes in for final episodes. Same thing for viewers who: 1) didn't watch this season because they don't like Ben; 2) tuned out after a few epis because Lauren as F1 was too obvious.

To me, it's all a ratings ploy and I'm expecting the rag mags to go into overdrive with "inside sources " (i.e., someone who was once a neighbor of a cousin of Lauren or Jo Jo) and speculation disguised as "fact" about the shocker, the first time in Bach history etc.

MF is the master of mind games.  At least partially shows us an actual love story, then mucks it up toward the end with all kinds of shockers, blindsides, historic firsts etc.

JMO

Every single season we are beaten over the head with: the most shocking, the most dramatic, the first time ever, blah blah blah.
This is becoming as much of a routine as CM saying this is the final rose each episode.

I think our second to last filming schedule is accurate:  

Snipped from link below

Epi 9  FD - Resorts used:
11/5-6   Travel     FD's in Jamaica
11/7   FD1 - Caila - dinner and ocean romp
11/8 day off - Caila seen walking around Ocho Sandal's Grand Riviera resort / tweet-pic
11/9 FD2 - Heli took off from resort
11/10 day off
11/11 FD3
11/12 RC

Epi 10  LCD/MTP
11/13  travelling
11/14 mtp1
11/15 mtp2
11/16 LCD1                                          
11/17 LCD2    
11/18 FRC


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ETA:  I think he lets Calia go when she comes to visit him (a set up I am sure) as he knows his feelings aren't as strong for her as the other two he said ILY to,  This also explains his comments about letting  a girl go when he wasn't expecting it or however he had it in his blog.

Other than the two ILYs I doubt there is much of anything shocking on Monday night.

ALL IMHO

Kashathediva wrote:Every single season we are beaten over the head with: the most shocking, the most dramatic, the first time ever, blah blah blah.
This is becoming as much of a routine as CM saying this is the final rose each episode.

I guess I'm in the minority on this, but I do find it quite compelling or dare I say dramatic, and I don't think it was a producer script.  I think it was an in the heat of the moment mess up by Ben.  That's why the producers seem so gleeful about it IMO.  They got their Mr. Perfect in a pickle of his own making. Seems to be helping too as ratings are great. JMO. 

And Andy Baldwin was eons ago.  Many of today's viewers probably never saw that season. So the hook of actually seeing the lead guy tell both F2 he loves them is a shocking one, IMO.  If it was a Bachelorette she'd be getting raked over the coals for doing that while she was obviously always going to pick one of them IMO.  I'll be interested to see once it airs if Ben is given a pass or not by the general viewers.

Ladybug82 wrote:^^^^That's true!  I forgot about all the back and forth of when the FRC was.  I wondered why there wasn't a day in between each on that schedule and that's the main reason I went to see if RS had anything on his site we could add to and/or edit blank spaces in ours.

Your schedule sounds more realistic time frame wise and that would mean that it would've been Calia, Jojo then Lauren in filming order.  So if they change the order of viewing to Calia, Lauren then Jojo, it's probably just to ramp up the drama and lead into even more first in bachelor history or the most dramatic ___________ (fill in the blank).

If the Us Weekly article is to be believed, Lauren's date was before Jojo's. Because it said he tells one woman in the FS and the other during a rainforest date.

I think what is out of order is when Caila goes to see Ben. She may have gone after he got back from Lauren's, on his rest day, but will be shown after all 3 dates are done.

Hopefully Caila doesn't say "why did you make love to me..." when she is being let go. That would be wild!!!!!

^^^ that is how we originally had the schedule was Calia, Lauren and then JoJo. How did we get the dates of the FDs? I know Calia was spotted on hers so that is easy. We never changed the Helicopter date (all schedules have that on 11/9) How did we find that out?

Just trying to figure out the real vs shown order for sure.