Joelle Fletcher - (JoJo) - Bachelor 20 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2

I can shed some light with a true story:
Seasons ago I was communicating with a male cast person(I believe it was Jillian's season). He had been selected for the season and was at the Meat and Geek.
He was approached by a producer with a rough outline for a role to play during his time on the show. It was a negative type role that the cast person did not want to pursue. It was a type of storyline he was going to be following. When the cast person mentioned his displeasure with this situation he was "let go" by production.
This cast person was not shown on the episode at all.
Now of course, I did not buy this story and was skeptical. The cast person showed me a photo taken with the entire group and the ette; the famous posed formal cast photo. Then he sent me link to cast bio pics. He was missing and another replaced him. The one replacing him was not in the formal cast photo.
Ironically not, the one replacing him had been eliminated night one at the Meat and Geek.  Since several cast play negative behavior type roles it was ambiguous which male cast took on that role.

Shayne Lamas obviously fell in like with Matt Grant and vice versa. It was pretty obvious that season she was fulfilling an acting debut.

NCGalBecca wrote:I really don't see any "acting" from her other than the fed lines that they force everyone to say in the ITMs. What I also see in her is a realist who knows that her chances of being the one are 1/25 so she wasn't a lovesick chaser/gusher from moment one about a guy she spends a few hours with every week at the beginning.

Based on her background, it appears that she is used to being in sophisticated social circles and is also comfortable around men. She isn't desperate like so many that come on the show so often act. She appears to have a good life all on her own. She admitted that her last relationship was rough so she is often guarded with her feelings but is still warm and supportive of Ben. She opens up when she receives reciprocation.

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JMO

casjacknick wrote:I can shed some light with a true story:
Seasons ago I was communicating with a male cast person(I believe it was Jillian's season). He had been selected for the season and was at the Meat and Geek.
He was approached by a producer with a rough outline for a role to play during his time on the show. It was a negative type role that the cast person did not want to pursue. It was a type of storyline he was going to be following. When the cast person mentioned his displeasure with this situation he was "let go" by production.
This cast person was not shown on the episode at all.
Now of course, I did not buy this story and was skeptical. The cast person showed me a photo taken with the entire group and the ette; the famous posed formal cast photo. Then he sent me link to cast bio pics. He was missing and another replaced him. The one replacing him was not in the formal cast photo.
Ironically not, the one replacing him had been eliminated night one at the Meat and Geek.  Since several cast play negative behavior type roles it was ambiguous which male cast took on that role.

Shayne Lamas obviously fell in like with Matt Grant and vice versa. It was pretty obvious that season she was fulfilling an acting debut.

NCGalBecca wrote:I really don't see any "acting" from her other than the fed lines that they force everyone to say in the ITMs. What I also see in her is a realist who knows that her chances of being the one are 1/25 so she wasn't a lovesick chaser/gusher from moment one about a guy she spends a few hours with every week at the beginning.

Based on her background, it appears that she is used to being in sophisticated social circles and is also comfortable around men. She isn't desperate like so many that come on the show so often act. She appears to have a good life all on her own. She admitted that her last relationship was rough so she is often guarded with her feelings but is still warm and supportive of Ben. She opens up when she receives reciprocation.

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JMO

NCGalBecca wrote:I really don't see any "acting" from her other than the fed lines that they force everyone to say in the ITMs. What I also see in her is a realist who knows that her chances of being the one are 1/25 so she wasn't a lovesick chaser/gusher from moment one about a guy she spends a few hours with every week at the beginning.

Based on her background, it appears that she is used to being in sophisticated social circles and is also comfortable around men. She isn't desperate like so many that come on the show so often act. She appears to have a good life all on her own. She admitted that her last relationship was rough so she is often guarded with her feelings but is still warm and supportive of Ben. She opens up when she receives reciprocation.

**edited**
JMO

casjacknick wrote:

I can shed some light with a true story:
Seasons ago I was communicating with a male cast person(I believe it was Jillian's season). He had been selected for the season and was at the Meat and Geek.
He was approached by a producer with a rough outline for a role to play during his time on the show. It was a negative type role that the cast person did not want to pursue. It was a type of storyline he was going to be following. When the cast person mentioned his displeasure with this situation he was "let go" by production.
This cast person was not shown on the episode at all.
Now of course, I did not buy this story and was skeptical. The cast person showed me a photo taken with the entire group and the ette; the famous posed formal cast photo. Then he sent me link to cast bio pics. He was missing and another replaced him. The one replacing him was not in the formal cast photo.
Ironically not, the one replacing him had been eliminated night one at the Meat and Geek.  Since several cast play negative behavior type roles it was ambiguous which male cast took on that role.

Shayne Lamas obviously fell in like with Matt Grant and vice versa. It was pretty obvious that season she was fulfilling an acting debut.

WHAT?!?! Weird! I am straight freaking out! That's nuts! So what then? I mean Olivia is obvious for this sort of casting and the Leah stupidness, sure. I believe Jojo's hometown date was scripted to heck and back especially with the letter, but some of you really believe last week was scripted?! Dang. That's nuts. I mean he definitely doesn't look like such a bad guy if they both had scripts but that's..... wow. What? I still can't. I mean in the beginning he has a shot with most of the girls right? Or did the producers pick Lauren for him? What???? I am just.... lost right now. Kasha, you broke my brain.

avacaroline wrote:So this has always been my question....let's assume, for the sake of conversation, that JoJo was playing a role. How aware of this would she be?  Is it something as blatant as, "here's what we need you to do and say" or is it a case of master puppeteering?

Kashathediva wrote:There maybe outlined story lines. I have heard talk about that on large boards for staff purposes as seen in UnReal.

Lucas15 wrote:

avacaroline wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:That's why I had a hard time liking JoJo. I tried giving her the benefit of the doubt but she appeared to be going with the flow. I didn't see any real affection from her but rather a forced affection. The water pic which is suppose to be a very romantic date, even then she has her left hand on his chest. At that point in the season, you should be bear hugging him.

I had the same reaction to her. The letter debacle and her horrible acting job and then the over the top meeting with her family, just pushed it over the edge for me.  I just found it so un-believable.

I think there's a difference between good acting and overacting and it makes all the difference in how believable the scene is. The letter debacle (good word for it BTW) is a case in point. JoJo's walk around the room with sobbing heard strains credibility for me because when the camera zoomed in on her, her mascara was perfect and her eyes were dry.

I found the scene by the waterfall hard to believe also - not for one big thing but for many little things. JoJo's head shake and "What?" when Ben says ILY the first time just struck me as what you would get if you told someone (without good acting training) "Act surprised when Ben says ILY" and that was JoJo's interpretation of what acting surprised would look like. But I don't think real people in real situations would act that way - it was just that little bit of over the top reaction that left me behind. When Ben said ILY to JoJo I really didn't expect her to say "Can you say that?" Why is she thinking of show rules when she should be basking in the joy of hearing ILY from a man she is supposed to be in love with? As GA expected a bear hug - she should have given him a bear hug and all that should have been the only thing on her mind - Ben and a love that she feels - not the show and it's stupid "rules".

Her rambling preamble to her admission to Ben that she loves him was just too many words and too little emotion. A simple "Ben, it's hard for me to admit this to myself and to you but I love you" would have been much more appropriate.

When JoJo talked about things that happened on her home town date she referred to it as "hometown". Sure - that's the word the show uses - but Lauren referred to that time as "when we were in Portland" and that's how real people being real would think of it. Don't talk in jargon or showspeak - talk real. Otherwise I'm going to think you're just doing a show and immersed in the process of the show - and not being real.
JMHO

NCGalBecca wrote:I really don't see any "acting" from her other than the fed lines that they force everyone to say in the ITMs. What I also see in her is a realist who knows that her chances of being the one are 1/25 so she wasn't a lovesick chaser/gusher from moment one about a guy she spends a few hours with every week at the beginning.

Based on her background, it appears that she is used to being in sophisticated social circles and is also comfortable around men. She isn't desperate like so many that come on the show so often act. She appears to have a good life all on her own. She admitted that her last relationship was rough so she is often guarded with her feelings but is still warm and supportive of Ben. She opens up when she receives reciprocation.

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JMO