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Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - F1 to F4 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2
Lucas15 wrote:havadrpepper wrote:@Lucas15, what is your take on JoJo always glancing off to her left during the dinner conversation? I noticed that last week during the show and it just didn't seem right to me.
Generally when someone fails to make eye contact when they are talking it's a sign of some level of deceit or lying. A lot depends on what their eyes are doing (if you can see them) - looking up with your eyes indicates you're accessing things you remember - either things you saw or things you heard.
In general a truthful person will keep good eye contact but not a fixed stare - which could indicate they are actually lying and trying to cover the lie by over compensating and never looking away. The truthful person might look away to collect their thoughts and then regain eye contact while they express them - maintaining good eye contact when they are saying something that is true and then glancing away to collect more thoughts.
JoJo did seem to look away quite a number of times but in general it seems (to me anyway) that it's pretty normal for her. As is shaking her head left and right - most of the time. Some people (Ben for example is pretty consistent in this) will nod their head "yes" when they make a true statement and shake their head "no" when they're lying. JoJo more or less always shakes her head "no" - which slightly unnerves me.
Or simply - as Kasha suggests, she's looking at a cue card - or looking at a producer for some direction.
Lucas15 what is your take on how Lauren and Ben look into each others eyes, almost as much as they kiss. I have been reading some posters think they have less chemistry. How does this contrast with what you have just said about Ben and JoJo's interaction?
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Eviebloom wrote:Lucas15 what is your take on how Lauren and Ben look into each others eyes, almost as much as they kiss. I have been reading some posters think they have less chemistry. How does this contrast with what you have just said about Ben and JoJo's interaction?
Some will say that the eyes are the windows into your soul. If two lovers look into each others eyes it can unlock a very intense set of emotions - you're in essence letting down all your guard and letting someone see what you feel in the most intimate and personal way. Sometimes when Ben and Lauren touch their foreheads and noses together and just look into each others eyes, that's what I see them doing. It's special. It's very special and it's been a long time since I've seen anyone on this show do what Ben and Lauren do.
Here's an example from LadyBug's SCs:
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Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - F1 to F4 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2
Lucas15 wrote:Eviebloom wrote:Lucas15 what is your take on how Lauren and Ben look into each others eyes, almost as much as they kiss. I have been reading some posters think they have less chemistry. How does this contrast with what you have just said about Ben and JoJo's interaction?
Some will say that the eyes are the windows into your soul. If two lovers look into each others eyes it can unlock a very intense set of emotions - you're in essence letting down all your guard and letting someone see what you feel in the most intimate and personal way. Sometimes when Ben and Lauren touch their foreheads and noses together and just look into each others eyes, that's what I see them doing. It's special. It's very special and it's been a long time since I've seen anyone on this show do what Ben and Lauren do.
Here's an example from LadyBug's SCs:
Lucas you are the best, We see Ben and Lauren do this all the time. They have the most intense eye contact that I have ever seen. I do not see Ben doing that very much with JoJo.
Sometime you have to fall apart only to realize you need to be together!
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Lucas15 wrote:havadrpepper wrote:@Lucas15, what is your take on JoJo always glancing off to her left during the dinner conversation? I noticed that last week during the show and it just didn't seem right to me.
Generally when someone fails to make eye contact when they are talking it's a sign of some level of deceit or lying. A lot depends on what their eyes are doing (if you can see them) - looking up with your eyes indicates you're accessing things you remember - either things you saw or things you heard.
In general a truthful person will keep good eye contact but not a fixed stare - which could indicate they are actually lying and trying to cover the lie by over compensating and never looking away. The truthful person might look away to collect their thoughts and then regain eye contact while they express them - maintaining good eye contact when they are saying something that is true and then glancing away to collect more thoughts.
JoJo did seem to look away quite a number of times but in general it seems (to me anyway) that it's pretty normal for her. As is shaking her head left and right - most of the time. Some people (Ben for example is pretty consistent in this) will nod their head "yes" when they make a true statement and shake their head "no" when they're lying. JoJo more or less always shakes her head "no" - which slightly unnerves me.
Or simply - as Kasha suggests, she's looking at a cue card - or looking at a producer for some direction.
JoJo shaking her head "no", has bothered me as well. I don't think I have ever known anyone to do this. She even does it when she's saying something affirmative. Is it a nervous habit or does it have some deeper meaning......
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Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - F1 to F4 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2
Lucas15 wrote:Eviebloom wrote:Lucas15 what is your take on how Lauren and Ben look into each others eyes, almost as much as they kiss. I have been reading some posters think they have less chemistry. How does this contrast with what you have just said about Ben and JoJo's interaction?
Some will say that the eyes are the windows into your soul. If two lovers look into each others eyes it can unlock a very intense set of emotions - you're in essence letting down all your guard and letting someone see what you feel in the most intimate and personal way. Sometimes when Ben and Lauren touch their foreheads and noses together and just look into each others eyes, that's what I see them doing. It's special. It's very special and it's been a long time since I've seen anyone on this show do what Ben and Lauren do.
Here's an example from LadyBug's SCs:
Thanks! My gut feeling is that Ben and Lauren have a deeper connection. It is probably heart pounding, but yet time seems to stop and they seem like they settle into each other. They maybe relax into each other. With JoJo their interaction seems frantic and exhausting. There may be sex appeal and chemistry but I do not see that "love" connection. Thank you for bringing over that photo, it shows a very good example of what I have been seeing.
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When I went through LadyBug's SC on our site I was actually looking for an example of the forehead and nose touch SC because I'd already posted about it - I edited the picture back in. But I found several others that I thought really show interesting aspects of Ben's interactions.
This is what I would call "nurturing" or "mothering" - like a mother would hold her baby after nursing - very loving. What a sweet smile!
This one is very intimate - using finger tips (where most touch sensors are) to touch the face (where most body language feelings are expressed):
Yet this one looks completely different - it's more "controlling" - you can't get away. What a difference that slight change in hand position makes!
And this is a screen cap for the ages:
This is what I would call "nurturing" or "mothering" - like a mother would hold her baby after nursing - very loving. What a sweet smile!
This one is very intimate - using finger tips (where most touch sensors are) to touch the face (where most body language feelings are expressed):
Yet this one looks completely different - it's more "controlling" - you can't get away. What a difference that slight change in hand position makes!
And this is a screen cap for the ages:
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Thanks Lucas
I think the one where she touches his face his very telling... since he doesnt like his face being touched!
I think the one where she touches his face his very telling... since he doesnt like his face being touched!
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sophienette wrote:Thanks Lucas
I think the one where she touches his face his very telling... since he doesnt like his face being touched!
I think he's going to have to get used to it ...
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Lucas15 wrote:sophienette wrote:Thanks Lucas
I think the one where she touches his face his very telling... since he doesnt like his face being touched!
I think he's going to have to get used to it ...
Me thinks he might already have
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^ Or his dislike of having his face touched is respected and she stops.
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I'm sure she would respect his wishes, but he doesn't appear to mind, IMO.
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Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - F1 to F4 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2
Lucas15 wrote: snipped..
Some will say that the eyes are the windows into your soul. If two lovers look into each others eyes it can unlock a very intense set of emotions - you're in essence letting down all your guard and letting someone see what you feel in the most intimate and personal way. Sometimes when Ben and Lauren touch their foreheads and noses together and just look into each others eyes, that's what I see them doing. It's special. It's very special and it's been a long time since I've seen anyone on this show do what Ben and Lauren do.
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Um, I kinda was hoping for chapter 2. Lucas you missed your calling. Holy smokes! Nice!
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