The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - F1 to F4 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2

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2observe wrote:

avacaroline wrote:

2observe wrote:No one has addressed why Ben mentions the possiblity of losing his F1 paraphasing) in the Episode 11 Preview of the FRC. Why did he think he would lose her???? That's the unanswered question, imo.

My guess is that he had a conversation with Lauren during their LCD and came clean about his journey and his confusion over his feeling for JoJo. It seems that honesty and communication are a big deal for him. I don't remember where, but CH compared Ben's desire to be open and ", come clean", in some ways to Kaitlyn's....which hinted to me that he made these confessions sometime during filming. I believe that the screencaps of Lauren crying in the latest teaser, is during her ITM after their LCD. Regardless of how well that conversation went, Ben had to walk away fearful that after Lauren had some time to process everything, she would walk away.

This is all JMO.

The problem I have with this is that in recent interviews, Ben has said that he didn't tell his F1 about his feelings for F2 (paraphasing) until after the FRC.

Crazylady29 wrote:I agreed with the post above in that imo maybe Mollie was saying "hey that's my sister on the front cover!"

It might not be the content of the cover. It's just the one that Mollie saw and pointed out everything about Ben is pointing to Lauren. Imo

GuardianAngel wrote:MOVED FROM A FAN FORUM

2observe wrote:

avacaroline wrote:

My guess is that he had a conversation with Lauren during their LCD and came clean about his journey and his confusion over his feeling for JoJo.  It seems that honesty and communication are a big deal for him. I don't remember where, but CH compared Ben's desire to be open and ", come clean", in some ways to Kaitlyn's....which hinted to me that he made these confessions sometime during filming. I believe that the screencaps of Lauren crying in the latest teaser, is during her ITM after their LCD.  Regardless of how well that conversation went, Ben had to walk away fearful that after Lauren had some time to process everything, she would walk away.

This is all JMO.

The problem I have with this is that in recent interviews, Ben has said that he didn't tell his F1 about his feelings for F2 (paraphasing) until after the FRC.

avacaroline wrote:

2observe wrote:No one has addressed why Ben mentions the possiblity of losing his F1 paraphasing) in the Episode 11 Preview of the FRC.  Why did he think he would lose her????  That's the unanswered question, imo.  

My guess is that he had a conversation with Lauren during their LCD and came clean about his journey and his confusion over his feeling for JoJo.  It seems that honesty and communication are a big deal for him. I don't remember where, but CH compared Ben's desire to be open and ", come clean", in some ways to Kaitlyn's....which hinted to me that he made these confessions sometime during filming. I believe that the screencaps of Lauren crying in the latest teaser, is during her ITM after their LCD.  Regardless of how well that conversation went, Ben had to walk away fearful that after Lauren had some time to process everything, she would walk away.

This is all JMO.

I don't remember reading the bolded. At least not being directly quoted from Ben....

I'm sorry for asking but in which interview did Ben say that he fessed up to his F1 about the love confessions after the FRC?

I actually think JoJo will be more blindsided...devastated actually.  Ben has been OTT on his encouragement of her opening up, his assurances and his promise to protect her heart.  JoJo knows how this show works and after Ben told her repeatedly he LOVES her, is in love with her, whatever phrasing, and sexy time in the FS, that she felt confident in Ben choosing her.  If it was truly Lauren from the moment she stepped out of the limo....Ben should have respected both Lauren and JoJo and used self restraint in expressing his feelings to both.  There is plenty of time at and after the FRC to share ILY's.  Ben seems to think of Ben and his feelings first and foremost.  Unfortunately this inflicts deep and needless pain on the F2 and to a lesser degree the F1.  I would not want to see my fiance this tortured over his decision to marry me and let another woman go right before he asked me to marry him.  That's just me though.  IMO Caila was lucky she was eliminated without the additional emotional manipulation.  I feel bad for the gals.

FYI: I interpreted Mollies magazine cover snap to say Lauren got burned.  I also put that in the pro JoJo F1 column.  That said I still think most indicators point to Lauren as F1.  I will not be surprised with either pick.

Sorry if in the wrong place .. Copied from the fan forum .. With my comment added

@2observe wrote:
Can someone tell me what obstacles Ben and Lauren had to overcome together???  I've seen several obstacles that Ben and Jojo have overcome to together, so I'm wondering what did I miss with Ben and Lauren.  TIA
@sophienette wrote:
the fact that 1) he thought she was too good for him (and vice versa)/too good to be true/does love at first sight exist 2) he didnt know how she felt, insecure if he was good enough for her 3) He fell in love with another woman and she seems to (at least by FD RC) be aware it is a possibility he loves Jojo, and maybe more.

Also the mentions in their chats of the potential of her leaving/being sent home
Him feeling unlovable .. Convincing her .. Several special things just for her .. That he does care about her .. But will that be reciprocated

IMO tptb will have put a seed of doubt in Lauren's mind (what if he said ILY to JoJo- even if Ben doesn't address that during the LCD) AND will have reinforced (probably over and over) to JoJo that Ben said he loved her. All to set up the FRC- I believe it's been said that tptb play with the f2 by building her confidence to the moon and unsettle f1 by creating uncertainty- hoping to have f2 blindsided whenever possible and f1 over the moon and emotional.

From glamour magazine. He did tell Lauren right away.

Glamour: At what point did you tell the woman you chose in the end that you had the "I love you" conversation with another woman?
Ben: Right away. We talked the night we got to stay together after the show ended for the first time, and I told her what happened because we're a team now. Teams have to communicate, couples have to communicate. I knew how much she meant to me, and I didn't want to do anything without her knowing it. So I was very open with her about what happened during this experience as soon as she was ready and wanted to hear it, and she has been supportive just like a good partner would. She's been really supportive. It's not always easy, as I don't think it should be, but always supportive and loving and caring. I hope she never has to be put through a situation that is this brutal to watch ever again.

Fingersandtoes wrote:I'm sorry for asking but in which interview did Ben say that he fessed up to his F1 about the love confessions after the FRC?

It appears that he told his F1 right after she became his fiancee.  That would be after the FRC.  See link below:

http://www.etonline.com/news/183524_ben_higgins_revealed_how_he_knew_his_fiancee_was_the_one/

avacaroline wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:MOVED FROM A FAN FORUM

2observe wrote:
The problem I have with this is that in recent interviews, Ben has said that he didn't tell his F1 about his feelings for F2 (paraphasing) until after the FRC.

avacaroline wrote:

My guess is that he had a conversation with Lauren during their LCD and came clean about his journey and his confusion over his feeling for JoJo.  It seems that honesty and communication are a big deal for him. I don't remember where, but CH compared Ben's desire to be open and ", come clean", in some ways to Kaitlyn's....which hinted to me that he made these confessions sometime during filming. I believe that the screencaps of Lauren crying in the latest teaser, is during her ITM after their LCD.  Regardless of how well that conversation went, Ben had to walk away fearful that after Lauren had some time to process everything, she would walk away.

This is all JMO.

I don't remember reading the bolded.  At least not being directly quoted from Ben....  

See link: http://www.etonline.com/news/183524_ben_higgins_revealed_how_he_knew_his_fiancee_was_the_one/

Crazylady29 wrote:From glamour magazine. He did tell Lauren right away.

Glamour: At what point did you tell the woman you chose in the end that you had the "I love you" conversation with another woman?
Ben: Right away. We talked the night we got to stay together after the show ended for the first time, and I told her what happened because we're a team now. Teams have to communicate, couples have to communicate. I knew how much she meant to me, and I didn't want to do anything without her knowing it. So I was very open with her about what happened during this experience as soon as she was ready and wanted to hear it, and she has been supportive just like a good partner would. She's been really supportive. It's not always easy, as I don't think it should be, but always supportive and loving and caring. I hope she never has to be put through a situation that is this brutal to watch ever again.

Excellent article. Thank you

sophienette wrote:

2observe wrote:

pander3575 wrote:Iimo he's calling his parents to let them know. He called them the first night so why not the last?

That still doesn't explain why he needed to say that he didn't want to lose her right before he pulls out the phone.  jmo

that is just what the latest preview makes it look like... they edited it that way. Earlier previews have it clear that the ITM in question is at a different spot than the actual FRC, and we see him pulling out his phone at the FRC spot.
He didnt actually say it just before taking out his phone.

I agree Sophia, they are very good at splicing and dicing to make you believe something else. They know that Ben was all in for Lauren midway thru the season. So they had to throw everyone off and make you believe that is JoJo he is saying that about. Ben himself said that he did not change his mind.