Re: The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 5 - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

by limoncello Sat Jan 30, 2016 1:01 pm

I mean you can be sarcastic all you want, but there's a line for using it. I'm a pretty sarcastic person so I get her point of view, but in that moment I felt like she was saying that to somehow make herself stand out from all the girls with her uneccessary "I'm too cool for this sh" attitude. some things are just better left said in your head

by albean99 Sat Jan 30, 2016 1:43 pm

I think she was trying to be too cool to try to cover up her feelings. It reminds me of when she offered her 1 on 1 date. That time she tried to be funny but it seemed deep down that she was serious. She's really hard to read and that's a big no no on this show imo.

by Guest Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:18 pm

Maybe Jubilee just knew that Ben was already half in love with Lauren and she was not having the "lets pretend he can still form a lasting connection with me" dance. That may have been what caused her to lash out at him.

while some are happy to stay and play along others are not.
It must be difficult to know someone is clearly not feeling you as much as he is trying to make you believe he is. I really cannot fault her because Ben sending her home just validated her intuition that he didnt see a forever thing with her even though he (because of the premise of the show) tried to make her believe he did.
IMO

by BlackHalo Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:20 pm

see2love wrote:Maybe Jubilee just knew that Ben was already half in love with Lauren and she was not having the "lets pretend he can still form a lasting connection with me" dance. That may have been what caused her to lash out at him.

while some are happy to stay and play along others are not.
It must be difficult to know someone is clearly not feeling you as much as he is trying to make you believe he is. I really cannot fault her because Ben sending her home just validated her intuition that he didnt see a forever thing with her even though he (because of the premise of the show) tried to make her believe he did.
IMO

That was my initial thought after seeing the way he spoke to Lauren. Good for Jubilee.

by Maddy Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:23 pm

ABC's press release for episode 5:

BEN TAKES HIS SEARCH FOR LOVE INTERNATIONAL, ESCORTING THE 11 REMAINING
BACHELORETTES TO MEXICO CITY, AS THEY LEARN ABOUT FOOD AND FASHION FROM MEXICO’S BEST, ON ABC’S “THE BACHELOR

Explosive Drama Marks This First Global Stop

“Episode 2005” – The first international stop of the season finds Ben and the 11 remaining bachelorettes traveling to Mexico City, one of the largest metropolitan areas in the world. Amanda has a thrillingly romantic one-on-one date with Ben, soaring over ancient ruins in a hot-air balloon. The women will attempt to learn Spanish with Ben but they immediately need to use their new-found knowledge to go shopping for a cooking competition. Lauren H. has a spring in her step as she and Ben walk the runway with top models during for Mexico City’s Fashion Week. One heart-wrenching confrontation between Ben and one unhappy bachelorette changes the course of Ben’s journey to find love. The women decide to take matters into their own hands and corner Ben about Olivia’s bad behavior. Will the Bachelor decide it is time for her to pack her bags? “The Bachelor” airs MONDAY, February 1 (8:00-10:01 p.m. EST) on the ABC Television Network.

Amanda and Ben go “up, up and away” for a picturesque balloon ride over ancient ruins. After a day of sight-seeing, the couple cozy is up for a quiet, romantic dinner. The shy bachelorette decides to share the story of her traumatic divorce, but will her honesty throw a wrench into the possibility of a happy future together?

Nine lucky women meet Ben for private Spanish lessons, but little do they know that it will be the start of a grand adventure, as they are divided into teams to shop for food at the Mercado Roma. They are given recipes by two world renowned Mexican chefs – Lula Martin Del Campo and Nicolas Martin Del Campo – who inform them they will participate in a cooking competition. One woman is intent on making the group date her personal one-on-one date, but will this over-zealous bachelorette antagonize Ben in the process?

Jubilee decides to talk to Ben about her perception of their relationship and their future together, but what conclusions do they come to?

High fashion takes center stage, as Ben takes Lauren H. on their first one-on-one date to visit the famed Mexican fashion designer Pineda Covalin. He invites the couple to a behind-the-scenes look as he preps his models to walk the runway for his show in Mexico City’s Fashion Week. But Covalin has another surprise in store: He asks Ben and Lauren H. to walk the runway with his top models.

The women waste no time at the cocktail party confronting Ben about Olivia’s annoying behavior, and he has no choice but to have a face-off with her. Will she be able to convince Ben that she is here for the “right reasons”?

The 11 remaining women are:

Amanda, 25, esthetician, Rancho Santa Margarita, CA

Becca, 26, chiropractic assistant, San Diego, CA

Caila, 24, software sales representative, Hudson, OH

Emily, 23, twin, Las Vegas, NV

Jennifer, 25, small business owner, Fort Lauderdale, FL

Joelle “Jo Jo,” 24, real estate developer, Dallas, TX

Jubilee, 24, war veteran, Fort Lauderdale, FL

Lauren B., 25, flight attendant, Marina Del Rey, CA

Lauren H., 25, kindergarten teacher, Ann Arbor, MI

Leah, 25, event planner, Denver, CO

Olivia, 23, news anchor, Austin, TX

Hosted by Chris Harrison, “The Bachelor” is a production of Next Entertainment in association with Warner Horizon Television. Mike Fleiss, Elan Gale, Bennett Graebner, Peter Scalettar and Nicole Woods are the executive producers. “The Bachelor” is broadcast in 720 Progressive (720P), ABC’s selected HDTV format, with 5.1 stereo surround sound.

http://www.disneyabcpress.com/abc/shows/the-bachelor/press-releases/

by Guest Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:40 pm

One woman is intent on making the group date her personal one-on-one date, but will this over-zealous bachelorette antagonize Ben in the process?
Is that Olivia or Jubilee? Seems like the former, so how the heck did she end up getting a GDR?

The shy bachelorette decides to share the story of her traumatic divorce, but will her honesty throw a wrench into the possibility of a happy future together?
Hmm, I wonder why it was traumatic. I could see there being infidelity being involved since they got divorced so soon after Charlie's birth.

by KB_Mom Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:46 pm

I think the overzealous one who tried to turn it into a personal 1 on 1 has to be Olivia because she was paired with Ben for the cooking competition. Agree it makes no sense Olivia got GDR, especially when previews suggest it is Ben who turned after party into a mini 1 on 1 with Lauren.

by **Sprite** Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:20 pm

"Jubilee decides to talk to Ben about her perception of their relationship and their future together, but what conclusions do they come to?"

See2love and BlackHalo it seems you may be right in your conclusions. Jubilee sees the writing on the wall and unlike others, may not want to play along. Were we not told that she is eliminated during the evening portion of the group date? Maybe after Ben has pulled Lauren B off for some 1:1 time? Since Jubilee and Lauren were paired up in the competition she might have noticed what was going on and decided to have a talk with Ben. I am wondering if this might be more of a mutual decision to end things rather than the big blow up that they are leading us to think? Kind of like the whole thing during her first date?

by Guest Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:20 pm

BlackHalo wrote:
see2love wrote:Maybe Jubilee just knew that Ben was already half in love with Lauren and she was not having the "lets pretend he can still form a lasting connection with me" dance. That may have been what caused her to lash out at him.

while some are happy to stay and play along others are not.
It must be difficult to know someone is clearly not feeling you as much as he is trying to make you believe he is. I really cannot fault her because Ben sending her home just validated her intuition that he didnt see a forever thing with her even though he (because of the premise of the show) tried to make her believe he did.
IMO
That was my initial thought after seeing the way he spoke to Lauren. Good for Jubilee.

How did he speak to Lauren? It didn't seem THAT obvious to me. From the preview, it seemed like she was just having jealousy/insecurity issues in general. It actually looked like she was about to cry.

by Guest Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:21 pm

It may have been a mutual decision since the press release says "but what conclusions do THEY come to?"

by Guest Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:24 pm

How do we know that Ben ONLY took Lauren outside..? Or vice versa?

by Guest Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:26 pm

Isn't there that scene where he says "how do you think it makes me feel when I try to hold your hand and you pull away from me?". That did make me think that jubilee knew Ben was all about Lauren and didn't want him to fake it with her.

In the original extended promo, I thought I saw jubilee running down the stairs with Ben saying "just let me talk to her please", so hopefully they leave on good terms still caring for and respecting one another.

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