The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 5 - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

man Lauren H is hanging all over ben but his body language seems off.

Miyala wrote:Where can I find the video when Ben says I love you to Jubilee and Lauren? During spanish class

It is on ABC site - here is a link:  Jubilee Gets Jealous   Maybe someone else knows how to embed it here.

Jubilee is self-destructing at this point and it easy to see where things are starting to fall apart for her and Ben, IMO.

Jubelee Ben likes you, don't you see it.

I can't really blame her tbh. You've gotta have a special chill attitude on this show. Even when you think you can handle it, it might get to you.

I like Jubilee, but I kind of get why Ben looked so annoyed this time. The jokes and sarcasm were funny at first but it can get pretty exhausting, especially when you don't know the person that well and it seems like everything they say is tearing you down. Plus, come on.  He was repeating the phrases in Spanish that he was told to repeat, it's not like he was actually telling each girl he's falling in love with them. It just seemed like unnecessary attitude, IMO.

Oh yeah, ITA, the attitude there was unnecessary. It must be all getting to her, so she's lashing out a bit. All the girls have expressed different levels of jealousy or uncertainty, but acting like a preteen is not way to express it. But I get what she's saying, not the way she goes about it.

It just seemed like a really dumb exercise to me. If you're just reciting ILY to every person, even if it's in a foreign language, it just takes away all meaning from that phrase. I can imagine myself getting annoyed in that situation too. 

That said, I feel like jubilee is just someone who really feels her emotions and just can't hide them. She's the girl who jumps up from the couch and screams when she gets a date and she's the girl who throws major attitude when she's upset. I really like her because I can relate to that, but it's definitely going to annoy people in a group setting. JMO.

MiniDiva wrote:

Miyala wrote:Where can I find the video when Ben says I love you to Jubilee and Lauren? During spanish class

It is on ABC site - here is a link:  Jubilee Gets Jealous   Maybe someone else knows how to embed it here.

Jubilee is self-destructing at this point and it easy to see where things are starting to fall apart for her and Ben, IMO.

I don't know if this will work. Testing.

ETA: It doesn't work for me, but most times it won't out of the country. If someone else wants to try it, watch the vid, choose the share button, copy "Embed" and paste it here.

I like Jubilee, admire her accomplishments and her strength, but IMO she's just a fish out of water in the environment of this show.   Something about the format\experience just seems to have brought out all of her insecurities whereas from what I can tell of her from SM and outside the show, she seems to be a strong woman who doesn't let herself get weighed down by the tragedy of her past.

She seems to have lost sight of the fact she's on a reality show where the lead dates multiple women.  Ben has been very tender and sweet with her.  I think she brings out a protective side in him because of her sad past. But by now, he must be exhausted with her.  She gives him attitude because he said lovey words to others on the group date where clearly the exercise is having him say the words in Spanish?  I'm getting exhausted with her attitude; can only imagine what it must have been like for Ben.

I really do wonder if her pre RC exit was  her deciding to leave, or her and Ben having a "confrontation" and mutually deciding it's best for her to leave.

KB_Mom wrote:I like Jubilee, admire her accomplishments and her strength, but IMO she's just a fish out of water in the environment of this show.   Something about the format\experience just seems to have brought out all of her insecurities whereas from what I can tell of her from SM and outside the show, she seems to be a strong woman who doesn't let herself get weighed down by the tragedy of her past.

She seems to have lost sight of the fact she's on a reality show where the lead dates multiple women.  Ben has been very tender and sweet with her.  I think she brings out a protective side in him because of her sad past. But by now, he must be exhausted with her.  She gives him attitude because he said lovey words to others on the group date where clearly the exercise is having him say the words in Spanish?  I'm getting exhausted with her attitude; can only imagine what it must have been like for Ben.

I really do wonder if her pre RC exit was  her deciding to leave, or her and Ben having a "confrontation" and mutually deciding it's best for her to leave.

In this episode 5 preview, Ben is shown saying "I have to say goodbye to you," (in the exact same spot/positioning as he is when he's talking about trying to hold her hand and her pulling away) so that lines up with the spoiler that he sends her home rather than her eliminating herself.

Great post @KB_Mom.  I really like Jubilee also, but by this epi, she needs to get with the program.  Ben is developing feelings for the other woman and it is easier for him to see who he is comfortable with and who he has positive energy with.  Jubes is draining at this point and I don't blame him for letting her go.  Hopefully she will learn a lesson from this as she watches herself on the show.

IF... and it's a real IF... Jubilee is sarcastic in Spanish class, and not serious, then her sarcasm is very hard to read- and Ben might see that, yes, we speak the same language but there is a serious failure to communicate. The girls don't get her, Ben kind of got her on the one on one, but possibly, on this group date, he sees what the other girls have seen.