The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 3 - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

Fingersandtoes wrote:One thing that annoyed me a lot in this episode (and previous episodes, previous seasons) is TPBP need to paint the lead as some sort of hero. There's no way flight attendant Lauren, who wants to get her pilot's licence was scared of flying in that small airplane. And no way war veteran Jubilee was afraid of going in that helicopter. There was no need for the "I was so scared but Ben calmed me down and helped me face my fears!!!!" edit.  

Ben IMO comes across as genuine , caring person, making a real effort to hear every lady out on their issues, having real conversations. No need to force more with the edits and scripts.

nutty1 wrote:I cannot wait for Sharleen's blog this week! I always love her perspective.
Why oh why didn't Ben snatch that rose away from Amber????

see2love wrote:And what was wrong with Jubilee telling Bn he was late? If the person you are going on a date in real life turns up late would it be a crime to point that out especially being a time concious military person. I like when comtestants dont treat the Lead like demi gods and act like they would n a real life sitiaution as opposed to the ones who always say the right things, never question the Lead and are very agreeable to everything the
Lead says/does.
Let him see you, flaws and all and you may have a better chance of the relatinship lasting outside the bubble. IMO.

Realme wrote:

Fingersandtoes wrote:One thing that annoyed me a lot in this episode (and previous episodes, previous seasons) is TPBP need to paint the lead as some sort of hero. There's no way flight attendant Lauren, who wants to get her pilot's licence was scared of flying in that small airplane. And no way war veteran Jubilee was afraid of going in that helicopter. There was no need for the "I was so scared but Ben calmed me down and helped me face my fears!!!!" edit.  

Ben IMO comes across as genuine , caring person, making a real effort to hear every lady out on their issues, having real conversations. No need to force more with the edits and scripts.

I have to respectfully disagree.  I know of a few war vets who are scared to death to get on a helicopter.  It has to do with things they saw happen while serving our country.  So yes I do believe that Jubilee could have been afraid to go up in one.  Think about what heli's are used for either taking you into a hot spot or evac of wounded a lot of the times.  And Jubilee may be dealing with some PTSD we don't know as it can affect everyone differently.  As for Lauren, being a flight attendant and wanting to get your pilots license is a lot different then hoping into a open canopy airplane, and a small airplane you are not in control of is a lot different then a big jet you aren't in control of.    I didn't see them trying to paint Ben as a hero but just as a normal person.

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see2love wrote:And what was wrong with Jubilee telling Bn he was late? If the person you are going on a date in real life turns up late would it be a crime to point that out especially being a time concious military person. I like when comtestants dont treat the Lead like demi gods and act like they would n a real life sitiaution as opposed to the ones who always say the right things, never question the Lead and are very agreeable to everything the
Lead says/does.
Let him see you, flaws and all and you may have a better chance of the relatinship lasting outside the bubble. IMO.

see2love wrote:It was a boring episode for me tbh. Lauren B is cute and likeable but very boring. So was Ben on that date with her. Jubilee's comment should not have been taken that seriously imo and it was all much ado about nthing.
I cant say she uses her past as a crutch because she lived it and s still livng it so in essence it will always be her crutch and its not my place to determine how long her past should affect her for.
Amber was sp out of line in this episde and was a mean girl and Jojo joined the mean squad tonight.
Olivia is deluded and it sure will blinside her when she is dropped from that high horse.
The dates in all have been underwhelming and even the villains are not villing enough. I hope the season picks up somewhat  going forward.
I really couldnt care less who the F1 is at this point.

see2love wrote:And what was wrong with Jubilee telling Bn he was late? If the person you are going on a date in real life turns up late would it be a crime to point that out especially being a time concious military person. I like when comtestants dont treat the Lead like demi gods and act like they would n a real life sitiaution as opposed to the ones who always say the right things, never question the Lead and are very agreeable to everything the
Lead says/does.
Let him see you, flaws and all and you may have a better chance of the relatinship lasting outside the bubble. IMO.

see2love wrote:It was a boring episode for me tbh. Lauren B is cute and likeable but very boring. So was Ben on that date with her. Jubilee's comment should not have been taken that seriously imo and it was all much ado about nthing.
I cant say she uses her past as a crutch because she lived it and s still livng it so in essence it will always be her crutch and its not my place to determine how long her past should affect her for.
Amber was sp out of line in this episde and was a mean girl and Jojo joined the mean squad tonight.
Olivia is deluded and it sure will blinside her when she is dropped from that high horse.
The dates in all have been underwhelming and even the villains are not villing enough. I hope the season picks up somewhat  going forward.
I really couldnt care less who the F1 is at this point.

ReneeM wrote:This episode made me unbelievably angry last night. I've never felt so emotionally invested in a contestant ever on the bachelor/ette as I do Jubilee. These girls are AWFUL. They can all GO, I dislike them ALL with the exception of lauren b. because I didn't see her do anything but the  others were so catty and mean girls - esque. I DON'T CARE whether they know her backstory or not, that's not an acceptable way to treat people. 

Also i'm SO SICK of people making things about them when in all actuality it has nothing to do with them. My entire life i've gone through having to put up with people making comments about me being stuck up or a b*tch because it's hard for me to interact with people I don't know. If I know you, I could talk to you about anything forever and if I don't I'm ridiculously socially awkward so it makes me closed off because I don't want to say the wrong thing. And people including my own family will think that just because i'm aware of this, that it makes it easier to put myself out there, it doesn't.

And this notion of jubilee 'using' her story to get ahead is so far off base IMO, BEN brought it up, HE continued probing on a topic that was clearly uncomfortable for her to talk about considering she pretty obviously didn't really get into the details. UGH this episode made me so mad.