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Post by Ladybug82 Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:42 pm

The Bachelor Finale Promo - Ben's Getting a Surprise - Part 1

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Post by Ladybug82 Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:43 pm

The Bachelor Finale Promo - Ben's Getting a Surprise - Part 2

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Post by Maggenzm Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:52 pm

Katiebelle wrote:I've had great fun this morning catching up with everyone's posts. There's a lot that I want to say but if I did the "multi quote" option my post would be about a page long!

First off I am loving that we now have different points of view. For such a long time it's just been me and @theKeptGrits on this thread and we pretty much agree on everything  bestbud!

From the very beginning of the show I had Lauren, JoJo and Becca as my top 3. I saw his connection with L and JJ straight away and as for Becca, well I just like her. His relationship with L has gone from strength to strength, even the Leah moment was just a tiny blip. However, I see his relationship with JJ as having more fits and starts, moments of understanding and connection followed by confusion and uncertainty. If she is F1 it might make their relationship stronger, who knows. But I don't think she is F1.

I don't trust TPTB and their edit - they are sneaky and manipulate the story - I'm still a bit pissed off about the Leah and the black eye situation!

What I do trust, however, is the unaltered footage we've seen and those brilliant screen caps @Ladybug82 put up for us. Awesome job by the way!

The way that Ben looks at Lauren is like he's looking through her eyes to her soul.  I know that does sound overly poetical - but I hope you understand what I mean.

Also that bit in the preview where they are on a boat and he's resting his head on the crook of her neck and she's scratching his scalp (also brilliantly screen capped by Ladybug) - to me that's contentment, that's peace, that's unity and that's acceptance.

And I just don't see that with JoJo sorry.

But it's JMHO!


:yes: IA Mia, I believe the conversation is real and the feeling for both is deep. I can see Ben being happy with either girl. However, He is looking for a lifetime partner and a wife, based on what we have seeing, he is going to base his decision not simply on love, but also on values, lifestyle, and families
I love Jojo, great, kind, considerate girl but, I think he might pick Lauren and this is why

Ben is into his faith , we saw him pray with Lauren before sending the turtles in their water, that's deep,  same page spiritually. The most successful marriages are based on same values/lifestyle, and watching Ben-Lo, they seem to have similar values
They like the simple things in life, they both are very low key, both families are very knits together, also low key
They both say' it feels right, they can't explain it, too good to be true. - we will see.

There is no red flags  in this relationship period, no barrier to overcome- makes it easy for Ben to chose Lauren

Now with Jojo, there is some red flags,
1. She came with a baggage (an ex who still wants to be in the picture)
2.The family is a good family but, a bit dramatic, the father telling Ben, that Jojo has to stay close to the family - Ben was not impressed-Red flagi
3. Her brothers attacking Ben- Red flag

Ben has to overlook and dismiss all these red flags to chose Jojo, I don't think he can
But, of course this is JMHO
Is it Monday yet?
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Post by Maggenzm Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:18 pm

GA, there is a video with Ben's mom talking about who she prefers, can we bring it here?
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Post by Katiebelle Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:34 pm

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Just watched the latest preview that Ladybug posted.

I can't even imagine what the surprise would be? That he's still in love with the F2? That he's already broken up with F1? That he and the F1 have sneaked off and got married? My head is spinning!

What does everyone think?



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Post by Maggenzm Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:36 pm

OMJ, is one of girl pregnant? Is it Monday yet?
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Post by nannymargie Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:40 pm

Katiebelle wrote:The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - NO SPOILERS - Discussion  - Page 49 297491761

Just watched the latest preview that Ladybug posted.

I can't even imagine what the surprise would be? That he's still in love with the F2? That he's already broken up with F1? That he and the F1 have sneaked off and got married? My head is spinning!

What does everyone think?


Why does it say Ben's Getting A SURPRISE? What kind of surprise would Ben be getting?


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Post by nannymargie Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:43 pm

Katiebelle wrote:The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - NO SPOILERS - Discussion  - Page 49 297491761

Just watched the latest preview that Ladybug posted.

I can't even imagine what the surprise would be? That he's still in love with the F2? That he's already broken up with F1? That he and the F1 have sneaked off and got married? My head is spinning!

What does everyone think?


It says Ben get a surprise. So it's doesn't look like it's something at Ben does. Unless the are playing with us again.


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Post by Maggenzm Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:43 pm

OMG, Chris finally got it right, "this is the most dramatic season ever"
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Post by Katiebelle Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:45 pm

Not to put a spanner in the works but I just went back and listened to the preview at the end of WTA again.

This time I closed my eyes to just listen to the tone, timbre and inflection of the conversation in the bathroom. Does anybody else think that the "I need something from you" sounds like Lauren and the "But you love her too" sounds like JoJo?

They are making it sound like it's all one conversation but what if it's different conversations that they have put together for the preview? Just a thought.


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Post by Katiebelle Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:46 pm

Maggenzm wrote:OMJ, is one of girl pregnant? Is it Monday yet?

Oh.... that's a good one! The F2 does a surprise announcement that she's pregnant with Ben's baby!


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Post by Maggenzm Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:56 pm

Katiebelle wrote:Not to put a spanner in the works but I just went back and listened to the preview at the end of WTA again.

This time I closed my eyes to just listen to the tone, timbre and inflection of the conversation in the bathroom. Does anybody else think that the "I need something from you" sounds like Lauren and the "But you love her too" sounds like JoJo?

They are making it sound like it's all one conversation but what if it's different conversations that they have put together for the preview? Just a thought.
Katie, it is Jojo, I watched it more than 50+ times, it is a conversation btw Ben and Jojo, it flows, we don't know how and why they were sitting on the floor, but somehow they ended up there

JOJO I need something from you- clear voice of JOJO
Ben I am sitting in the bathroom floor with you../
Ben Hey,
bEN I LOVE YOU!!!!
bEN i AM IN LOVE WITH YOU!!

JoJO But, you love her too?

long Pause

Ben "Yes"

Jojo start sobbing...

It is all Ben and jojo, this is not VO at all

It is heart ranching
It is one of the most honest conversation on the show ever
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