Marriage Boot Camp - Season 4 - *Sleuthing Spoilers* - Discussion

I actually think TPTB might be over them as well. If not I think they would have been on BL to announce the baby like Ali. They didn't even mention them in any of the "news" sections. good news is after being on 7 reality shows there aren't that many left for them to pop up on.

Sean and Catherine.  WOW.  Sean needs to deal with his rigid self righteous ways, anger management and do some serious self reflection.  Catherine needs to work on her hair trigger temper, deep insecurity and self image issues.  These two are so busy putting on a show and a fake facade to their fans and SM.  They both need to stop playing the characters they were on the Bachelor and started focusing on being the flawed people they really are.  Having a baby brings great joy and enormous stress.  Time for SeanCat to do the work on themselves individually and as a couple before the baby is born.  They need to be Real vs Reality TV.

They clearly needed MBC for much more than the money.

Good recap FlChica...Spot on.

JMO

FLChica wrote:As each episode is shown, viewers get a better understanding of why Sean did his best to make them believe he only did this for the money. Being labeled as a materialistic, money hungry famewh*** is preferable to what we actually see of him on his 7th reality show. IMO. Here is the exchange between SeanCat:

C:  You are so delusional!
S:  My wife is gone. This soulless person that doesn't give a sh** about anything is here.
C:  Oh o.k., I'm soulless. You started it!
S:  O.K. then, we both hate each other. I'll leave you alone and you leave me alone.
C:  That's the conclusion?
S:  You never have sympathy for me.
C:  But you don't understand me.
S:  Leave me the fu** alone. I'm tired. Why the fu** are you being a bit**?
C:  Are you doing this right now? Get out of here!
S:  Keep your voice down.
C:  Really? Me? You just threw sh**.

Marriage Boot Camp, anyone?

So much of what I see with Sean is ego driven... including his issues with his business failure that he seems to take out on Catherine (typically the number one issue with men is job related = ego). The name calling is OTT, especially from Sean. I just hope they didn't want to be parents so as to "solve" their problems and distract themselves as is a typical response to marital strife. It sounds like there's lots of resentment built up between these two.  These two need some therapy and some tools to fight fair. jmo

I haven't been watching, but I caught the last episode and it did help me understand S/C's dynamics. So much of Sean's actions are driven by image and ego. He wants to be seen as a leader, strong, confident, infallible, successful, a good guy, etc. and when Catherine kind of shows outsiders that he's not all of those things all the time, he lashes out at her. I do think that his religion plays a huge role in that. Catherine is pretty interesting. She has this one line where she said "I hate that my father left and that my mom made him leave." Knowing what we do about her father, he had some pretty serious mental health issues and no could have "made" him leave. The fact that she sees her parents' relationship in that way, where the blame is put on the woman entirely, makes me think that's how she approaches her own relationship. Like, she has to be careful not to ever do anything to make Sean leave. I also didn't realize how deep her insecurties went, as she did say that she had hurt herself in the past. I hope that they did continue couples therapy and individual therapy (especially Cat), since I still think that they are good people who are just a bit screwed up by their upbringings. JMO.

nothatgirl wrote:I still think that they are good people who are just a bit screwed up by their upbringings. JMO.

I think this can be said for a lot of the world. Thing is, as adults, S&C are responsible for getting help and working on those issues. They can't be a chronic crutch/excuse. I think MBC is something they needed to be on for more than just the money. Sean's blog makes me wonder if he actually sees it that way...  :/

I'm not watching this show, only following along here. I'm curious, though, have Sean or Catherine made any comments regarding this since Sean's initial blog? If so, can someone summarize them...or point me in a direction to where I can read them? TIA

As far as I know they haven't said anything else. Cat faves the occasional tweet referencing the show. Sean is mum.

Funny you mention the blog AAL, I was just thinking about him saying they went on for the money buy stayed on for the people (right). Plus all the nonsense about the other couples fighting and swearing, meanwhile he's sneaking off to do the exact same thing in his bathroom off camera.

It'll be interesting tosee if he blogs again after the show airs, and what, if anything, he learned from it.

AllAboutLove wrote:

nothatgirl wrote:I still think that they are good people who are just a bit screwed up by their upbringings. JMO.

I think this can be said for a lot of the world. Thing is, as adults, S&C are responsible for getting help and working on those issues. They can't be a chronic crutch/excuse. I think MBC is something they needed to be on for more than just the money. Sean's blog makes me wonder if he actually sees it that way...  :/

Right, I did say that I think they really need to continue with therapy. I can just a lot of good in them and potential in their relationship, whereas with others, you can tell that it just needs to end.

I honestly don't really know how much MBC actually helps couples and individuals deal with their issues. I've only seen a couple of episodes and, to me, most of these exercises and reveals seem to be done for ratings' sake, not actually to help people. Seeing how many of these people dealt with actual trauma, like molestation, I don't know if the way that they handled it was proper and really helpful in the long-term. Getting people to breakdown might seem like a "success", but I don't know if it really is. I guess the problem is with the concept of boot-camp style of therapy in and of itself. Therapy really needs to be a slow, consistent, and long-term for it really help, IMO.

Sean has barely scratched the surface of his real issues -- what is the root of the longstanding public "be a virgin again" pledge?  What happened in college? He hasn't addressed fear he doesn't live up to his father as a provider or a strong Christian family man?  I concur that he is partially angry all the time underneath for reasons of guilt and shame he hasn't begun to talk about (and never will on camera, fair enough), that he didn't practice Christianity in that setting very well from what was aired (see Elizabeth's blog) in terms of judging people for not being "good" like him, etc.  He said all he had to say about this in his one post: "I have no problems or issues except the sin of doing this gig for the money."  BALONEY.  He did it for the money, on false pretenses / promises to participate in the therapy, and he actually did less work on himself than anyone other than maybe Althea from what I have seen. When you think of how raw the confessions were from the others, Sean is a huge wuss.

bleuberry wrote:As far as I know they haven't said anything else. Cat faves the occasional tweet referencing the show. Sean is mum.

Funny you mention the blog AAL, I was just thinking about him saying they went on for the money buy stayed on for the people (right). Plus all the nonsense about the other couples fighting and swearing, meanwhile he's sneaking off to do the exact same thing in his bathroom off camera.

It'll be interesting tosee if he blogs again after the show airs, and what, if anything, he learned from it.

Yup, he's doing the same thing. Difference is he thinks he's better than all the other couples and this I say because he was liking those tweets that indicated this. It makes me think he didn't learn much of anything and instead wants to just pretend none of this happened. I just hope that they didn't choose to have a child to "fix" their problems. And even if so, that they get help before the cycle gets repeated. :/

AllAboutLove wrote:

nothatgirl wrote:I still think that they are good people who are just a bit screwed up by their upbringings. JMO.

I think this can be said for a lot of the world. Thing is, as adults, S&C are responsible for getting help and working on those issues. They can't be a chronic crutch/excuse. I think MBC is something they needed to be on for more than just the money. Sean's blog makes me wonder if he actually sees it that way...  :/

Agreed, and I am definitely not saying they aren't good people. Just no where near the perfect people theyb(especially Sean) try to project. It's their (again mostly Sean's attitude) that they need to hide any fighting and to project a perfect image. If yay had been real vs condense ding in the house since day one they would be much more liked and respected by all. It's also why they got called out. It's cleat they are not on the dhow to project their spiritual beliefs. In fact being truly religious Sean shouldn't be do quick to judge others and should be more compassionate.


They are good people that need to learn to be themselves and not some stepford family.

nothatgirl wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:

nothatgirl wrote:I still think that they are good people who are just a bit screwed up by their upbringings. JMO.

I think this can be said for a lot of the world. Thing is, as adults, S&C are responsible for getting help and working on those issues. They can't be a chronic crutch/excuse. I think MBC is something they needed to be on for more than just the money. Sean's blog makes me wonder if he actually sees it that way...  :/

Right, I did say that I think they really need to continue with therapy. I can just a lot of good in them and potential in their relationship, whereas with others, you can tell that it just needs to end.

I honestly don't really know how much MBC actually helps couples and individuals deal with their issues. I've only seen a couple of episodes and, to me, most of these exercises and reveals seem to be done for ratings' sake, not actually to help people. Seeing how many of these people dealt with actual trauma, like molestation, I don't know if the way that they handled it was proper and really helpful in the long-term. Getting people to breakdown might seem like a "success", but I don't know if it really is. I guess the problem is with the concept of boot-camp style of therapy in and of itself. Therapy really needs to be a slow, consistent, and long-term for it really help, IMO.

They call themselves "relationship coaches" not psychologists, so their credentials are probably lacking. I agree, much of it seems for ratings more than actual therapy.

All this makes me wonder what C and S lives would look like had they never signed up for the bachelor and 'ette.