Episode 11 - 8/1 Finale - Discussion - Thread #2

[Admin]

I hope we get the larger caps soon!

[Diana]

Did Ashley's sister say the Brad comment to JP and Ash or just Ashley?

I thought her sister said that to JP then on the beach JP told Ashley about the Brad comment??

Thats sad. I just looked at the spoilers again, yup she told JP that. Uncalled for.

[Diana]

I hope we get the larger caps soon!

Why so cute all the time JP?

[cupcakes]

I hope we get the larger caps soon!

I'm getting so excited ya'll!!! :happybear:

[cupcakes]

The time stamp on the photos:
Ben - 2:40:33 PM
JP's arrival - 4:57:31 PM

[Admin]

The time stamp on the photos:
Ben - 2:40:33 PM
JP's arrival - 4:57:31 PM

Thanks for this CC! :lovehearts:

[Guest]

Wow. Y'all have been busy little bees, and just caught up. I'm pressed for time, so to be concise:

1) JP and Ashley will probably hang out most with Ashley Spivey and her b/f Scott.

2) JP is not cocky. My eastcoast b/f has the same attitude and personality, and I'm from the south, and simply adore his honesty and no b/s. It's passion and sincerity and honesty.

3) I want Ben as the next bachelor, so I can see him rap in his favorite wig. I just hope he washes it first.

4) Perhaps the biggest surprise and MF "OMG" tweet was Ben is one with the temper tantrum when he threw his little hissy fit. If that happens, it's just not very gracious. Even Reid, kicked to the curb twice, kissed Jillian's hand as she walked him off the podium. Jason, had tears in his eyes, but wished DeAnna the best. I make no excuses for Ben's behavior, sorry.

In all my years, I've never understood why a person has to be gracious about being humiluated. It just never made to sense to me.

I think it comes down to intent. I cannnot believe that Ben (or anybody else for that matter) really believes Ashley intentionally humiliated Ben or that she relished or was trying to encourage receiving a proposal she never intended to accept. Therefore, the big thing to do is to be gracious about the situation. Reid definitely comes to mind. But, I realize it is easier said than done, because we are all human so we sometimes let things get the better of us. JMO, but I'm gonna cut everybody (except TPTB because I know darn good and well they had their hand in pushing this to happen) some slack over this, for that very reason.

[Guest]

Ashley grabs his hand and helps him up.

Ashley says “You’ve got to know this is so hard for me”

Ben “Wow. I did not see this coming”.

Ashley is silent.Ben “So that’s it, huh?”

Ashley still remains silent.
Ben walks away from Ashley. Ashley chases after him. She catches up to him.

Ashley says: “ I’m so blessed to have even known you”

Ben keeps walking. Ashley grabs his arm.

Ashley “I think you are the most interesting, funny, great guy”

Ben says “I don’t need you to sugar coat anything right now. Please don’t. It’s bad enough I just was at a point that I could open up, and to have it turn out like this..I’ve always said NOTHING GOOD EVER ENDS WELL. This can’t end well. It can’t”

He walks away without saying good-bye. He did not take it well. He was bitter.
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So Ashley's silences are acceptable, Ben's silence is not? Ashley's mishandling of some of the other goodbyes is forgiven, Ben's raw reaction to having his proposal of marriage rejected is not? Seems like a cupcake-induced double standard to me....?
Isn't it also entirely possible that what might be interpreted by some as anger w/ Ashley is more anger at himself for giving himself over to this process? I still say Ben was unprepared for TB world.... I kinda hope he keeps far, far away from it.
Re: Reid and CL.... kudos to them. They were awesome. I'm still not sure how I feel about Jason....

Is this a video? Can you point me in the direction of it? Alot is going to depend on the kind of silence we witness. Is it shocked, deer in the headlights, I can't think to articulate silence? Is it artificial, deliberate, I'm gonna stand here and let us both be embarrassed for the camera silence? What is the context? Did he, in fact say he was going to talk first before she could gather herself to say something intelligent? Did she in fact try to pull her hands out of hi grasp? Did this all take a few seconds or several minutes? Context is everything.

ETA: I'm so sorry - I should totally wait till I finish reading the thread - just got to this point:

I know someone mentioned seeing a
commercial with both Ben and JP purposing to Ashley. Does anyone have a
link to watch it? I have not seen it yet.

I haven't seen it yet either. I don't think it's available yet on video.

I guess we will have to wait and see but, again, context is everything.

[gurlbrit]

Wow... there's a lot of debate going on in this thread. I usually lurk, and rarely post, but I have time to kill so I'll throw in my two cents

What happens at the FRC is a breakup. Breakups are hard. Breakups on national tv? Ridiculously hard. Lets be real with ourselves, when we've been broken up with, do we always react with the best grace and tact? Heck no! We're being dumped!

Now, lets look at Ben and Ashley. Ashley is dumping Ben. Ben thinks he's getting engaged, jumps the gun and proposes. He laid it all out on the line for this girl, and he did it on national television. Thats rough enough in itself! Granted, he probably should've thought about the other man in this strange scenario, but if it were me in this situation, the only way I could make it thru would be to not think about the other girl thats vying for my mans heart and affection.

I personally think the way Ben reacted is normal. Perfectly normal. We all process things differently, and this is how Ben initially processes. I don't think he needs to be bashed on at all. I also think that they way Ashley handled things was normal. Breakups are hard on both the dumper and dumpee. Why don't we all remember that these people are real life humans, just like you and me, and lets cut them some slack!

I don't think any posters are actually bashing Ben, I know I'm not, I feel really badly that he thought he had it in the bag and was rejected on national TV. What I think ppl are upset about is that JP had a hissy fit and some ppl posted that he was dangerous, that he had jealousy and temper issues. Now we know that Ben has a bit of a temper too and it is going to be shown on national TV as well. IMO its a what goes around comes around type of thing. Neither of the F2 are perfect, all of us lose our tempers at times.

[bing2262]

No wonder JP was nervous before the FRC. He was unsure whether Ashley's sister's disapproval could make her change her mind about their relationship.I am glad Ashley followed her heart. It will be interesting to see the whole exchange with JP.

[Love_Me]

I am happy for Ashley and JP. The finale and After will be wonderful. Their post-show media extravaganza will be something a lot of people are looking forward to.

On the other end I think Ben is still hurting from what happened. Rejection sucks and maybe a little bit more so when you are sent away on national tv. I am not going to blame anyone for what happen. It is what it is.

Do I wish Ben wasn't burned or deeply hurt by this of course I do. Everyone heals differently and copes in their own ways. So I have compassion and empathy for what he might be struggling with right now.

As an objective fan I can also celebrate the fact this season will end on a high note with two people who fell in love and got their happy ending.

One day Ben will have his as well.

Life always has a way of working it self out and what is meant to be will be.

[bilolo]

I am happy for Ashley and JP. The finale and After will be wonderful. Their post-show media extravaganza will be something a lot of people are looking forward to.

On the other end I think Ben is still hurting from what happened. Rejection sucks and maybe a little bit more so when you are sent away on national tv. I am not going to blame anyone for what happen. It is what it is.

Do I wish Ben wasn't burned or deeply hurt by this of course I do. Everyone heals differently and copes in their own ways. So I have compassion and empathy for what he might be struggling with right now.

As an objective fan I can also celebrate the fact this season will end on a high note with two people who fell in love and got their happy ending.

One day Ben will have his as well.

Life always has a way of working it self out and what is meant to be will be.

oh so sweet love me some Love_Me

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