Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #6

Brill wrote:

nannymargie wrote:We all deal with breakups differently and I totally get that.  But I think Nick forgets that there is someone else in the picture that she could have strong feelings for.  He gets too over confident  which he has admitted himself.  That is his where the problem comes in because you just don't know how she is really feeling about that other person.  Not choosing him should tell him everything he needs to know.  There is nothing that he could have done or said that could of changed anything.  In the end her heart belonged to someone else.  End of story.

Re the bolded!!! Boy thinking back to when I was dating, when reading that, had me laugh out loud and sorry about that.  So if you are dating someone and they tell you they've met someone else and the relationship is done and they don't or can't give you a reason what happened between the two of you, means that you step back and think a minute and say gee well I wish you both all the best, goodbye!!!

Who does that??? I can think of one time in my own life that I asked the same question and the person couldn't or wouldn't answer either.  I must be like Nick because I didn't take it very well either and I wasn't on any TV show.  If the person leads someone on and lets them think by words and actions they love you, has sex with you and then dump you the next day, get engaged to the other person that day and then tell the world you loved the other person from day 1, you are to just grin and wish them the best????

I can see that happening, if no feelings/emotions aren't involved!!! How about the pride within, thinking how did I miss read this so badly and wanting to know why??  Now I could see the anger towards him if he just let it all slide and then blast this out at the ATFR!! Yes I could!!! He did try and want to see her for a few minutes away from the cameras and she wouldn't have it!!! Now Meandi skates free and doesn't take any responsibility for any of this????  Sorry not in my books and maybe not in Josh's either.

Kaitlyn isn't worth my for being all about Shawn from day 1 and yet let Nick get down on his knee to propose!!!  That's where I draw the line in any respect I could ever have for her!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe if no one had done this and she didn't have the guts (let's not forget that she is a 30 YEAR OLD GROWN A$$ WOMAN, likes she keeps trying to tell the world) to spare him his dignity on TV yet!!!  (Kind of funny when she asked this same thing of Chris S.)  That's been done and she could have done that if she wanted.  Yep he was a friend all right!!  Man I sure wouldn't want to have a friend like her!!!  You are good enough to friend on SM but then kick you to curb when she get's what she wanted.  What does that say about her????  Did she really say she is 30??? Is that how they act now a days???  Shameful she is!!!
I believe in the saying what goes around, comes around!!!    TV Show or not!!!     As my signature says at the bottom that this is all IMO only.

nannymargie wrote:

Seabear wrote:Andi and Kaitlyn are both very self involved.  If you cross them or question them they are angry and mean.  I think trying to blame Nick on both their parts is ridiculous.  I believe Andi's smug behavior caused Nick to act out of emotion at ATFR last year.  I am certain after all the backlash and hatred he "learned his lesson."  I personally did not find his remarks shaming or offensive.  One thing I see very clearly in Nick is his intellect. He also is self reflective and owns his actions.  I am certain he will be prepared for this years ATFR.  What some find calculating and manipulative, I see as smart and witty.  To each his own.  I truly think, pun intended, that at the end of this ATFR Nick will walk away "smelling like a rose" and that will be "refreshing."

I find myself to be a very nice and loving woman but if I am crossed or questioned I find I act the same way.  I get very defensive so I know where they are coming from.  It does not in no way make them the kind of people they are accused of being.

Do we know if Nick tried getting in touch with Kait ATFR to get her to change her mind like he did Andi?  I can see where Andi acted like she did after the letter Nick gave her because she did not want to give him any false hope there was a chance.  We will see how Kait handles it Monday night.

nannymargie wrote:

Seabear wrote:Andi and Kaitlyn are both very self involved.  If you cross them or question them they are angry and mean.  I think trying to blame Nick on both their parts is ridiculous.  I believe Andi's smug behavior caused Nick to act out of emotion at ATFR last year.  I am certain after all the backlash and hatred he "learned his lesson."  I personally did not find his remarks shaming or offensive.  One thing I see very clearly in Nick is his intellect. He also is self reflective and owns his actions.  I am certain he will be prepared for this years ATFR.  What some find calculating and manipulative, I see as smart and witty.  To each his own.  I truly think, pun intended, that at the end of this ATFR Nick will walk away "smelling like a rose" and that will be "refreshing."

I find myself to be a very nice and loving woman but if I am crossed or questioned I find I act the same way.  I get very defensive so I know where they are coming from.  It does not in no way make them the kind of people they are accused of being.

Do we know if Nick tried getting in touch with Kait ATFR to get her to change her mind like he did Andi?  I can see where Andi acted like she did after the letter Nick gave her because she did not want to give him any false hope there was a chance.  We will see how Kait handles it Monday night.

Brill wrote:

nannymargie wrote:

Seabear wrote:Andi and Kaitlyn are both very self involved.  If you cross them or question them they are angry and mean.  I think trying to blame Nick on both their parts is ridiculous.  I believe Andi's smug behavior caused Nick to act out of emotion at ATFR last year.  I am certain after all the backlash and hatred he "learned his lesson."  I personally did not find his remarks shaming or offensive.  One thing I see very clearly in Nick is his intellect. He also is self reflective and owns his actions.  I am certain he will be prepared for this years ATFR.  What some find calculating and manipulative, I see as smart and witty.  To each his own.  I truly think, pun intended, that at the end of this ATFR Nick will walk away "smelling like a rose" and that will be "refreshing."

I find myself to be a very nice and loving woman but if I am crossed or questioned I find I act the same way.  I get very defensive so I know where they are coming from.  It does not in no way make them the kind of people they are accused of being.

Do we know if Nick tried getting in touch with Kait ATFR to get her to change her mind like he did Andi?  I can see where Andi acted like she did after the letter Nick gave her because she did not want to give him any false hope there was a chance.  We will see how Kait handles it Monday night.

In what magazine or where did the bolded come from????  I know he wanted closure from Meandi and that's why he was trying to contact her but I've never heard that he wanted her back???  Meandi is no prize, IMO, because even Josh doesn't want her.

happygolucky wrote:I just love following Brill's siggy :yougogirl:

On the other note ... what has been reported that allegedly happened with the whole proposal and refusal at FRC ... that IS SO Nick ... I wasn't sure, but I was sensing he said something, but was short, because after such a big ACTion, there's nothing much left to explain ... or add.
(so ... CP...when you were wondering, that's what I had in mind)

I've mentioned in the other media thread, Nick can be very sarcastic, he also can have a dry delivery ... and some of his tweets I wasn't reading all that supportive of Kaitlyn herself, more about the situation and his actions, his last year "meaning" and his intentions ... but there was some "amusing" note when he started to follow and favor Clint's tweets (and that was prior to SC-gate and before Kaitlyn un-followed him).


Luckiest indeed.

nannymargie wrote:

Brill wrote:

nannymargie wrote:

I find myself to be a very nice and loving woman but if I am crossed or questioned I find I act the same way.  I get very defensive so I know where they are coming from.  It does not in no way make them the kind of people they are accused of being.

Do we know if Nick tried getting in touch with Kait ATFR to get her to change her mind like he did Andi?  I can see where Andi acted like she did after the letter Nick gave her because she did not want to give him any false hope there was a chance.  We will see how Kait handles it Monday night.

In what magazine or where did the bolded come from????  I know he wanted closure from Meandi and that's why he was trying to contact her but I've never heard that he wanted her back???  Meandi is no prize, IMO, because even Josh doesn't want her.

The letter he wrote her was posted somewhere and he said it could be a new start for them.

isittrue wrote:

happygolucky wrote:I just love following Brill's siggy :yougogirl:

On the other note ... what has been reported that allegedly happened with the whole proposal and refusal at FRC ... that IS SO Nick ... I wasn't sure, but I was sensing he said something, but was short, because after such a big ACTion, there's nothing much left to explain ... or add.
(so ... CP...when you were wondering, that's what I had in mind)

I've mentioned in the other media thread, Nick can be very sarcastic, he also can have a dry delivery ... and some of his tweets I wasn't reading all that supportive of Kaitlyn herself, more about the situation and his actions, his last year "meaning" and his intentions ... but there was some "amusing" note when he started to follow and favor Clint's tweets (and that was prior to SC-gate and before Kaitlyn un-followed him).


Luckiest indeed.

So HGL do you think Nick's supportive tweets are all sarcastic?  Just interested because you pose an interesting theory and it can tie into Nick fav'ing JJ's not too flattering Shawn tweets too.  

sdmom wrote:

nannymargie wrote:

Brill wrote:

In what magazine or where did the bolded come from????  I know he wanted closure from Meandi and that's why he was trying to contact her but I've never heard that he wanted her back???  Meandi is no prize, IMO, because even Josh doesn't want her.

The letter he wrote her was posted somewhere and he said it could be a new start for them.

It's possible TPTB forced him to write it as a payback for his plane video? Also, we don't know when he wrote the letter, right after he got home or before MTA? Anyway, it's all in the past now.

isittrue wrote:

sdmom wrote:

nannymargie wrote:

The letter he wrote her was posted somewhere and he said it could be a new start for them.

It's possible TPTB forced him to write it as a payback for his plane video? Also, we don't know when he wrote the letter, right after he got home or before MTA? Anyway, it's all in the past now.

I always thought the letter was payback for the plane  video along with a lot of his SM during the season.  I just found it fishy that a storyboard producer was spotted filming with him in Wisconsin and the whole showing up at the MTA with said letter.