The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - Epi 8 July 6th - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

emusha wrote:

isittrue wrote:

bilolo wrote:Shawn is being painted as a possessive , whiny, arrogant, d bag, and so on and so on by people in this forum and elsewhere, so i don't understand what you guys are talking about.

Exactly!  No way is he getting a free pass because he is F1 or looks like Ryan Gosling.  Everybody is being thrown under the bus through TPTB and their own actions.  Freshness apparently is being real and being shown everyone's faults this season.  If anything I think Nick is being painted a little better than last season.

It goes both ways - I think had Nick been F1, the same people criticizing Kait and Shawn would be praising her for her good decision in choosing Nick since he is mature and so on.  Just the nature of the game.  

Shawn is not the villain this season....he is nowhere near where Nick was in terms of character assassination by the public -- this forum is not an indicator of public opinion imho

You're right, of course, emusha. I can't understand how he gets a free pass.
I guess fans just want to see a love story regardless of how immature and feeble the characters are...

OnePromise wrote:

Hotmomma wrote:

albean99 wrote:What I found funny about that preview was that Shawn walked in and said "What's up?". Maybe it's not like they're trying to make us think it is? That would be shocking wouldn't it?

To me it almost looks like he is smiling
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I saw that smile too.  Just as he walked in and said, "What's up?"  Not sure what to think about that... Could just be that Shawn saw how ridiculous the situation was as well.  

Maybe he needed someone to talk to about the sex situation and the producers said, "Well, Kaitlyn has had her fill of your after hours visits to her room?... Why don't you try talking to Nick about it?  That might shed some light on the subject...He likes to counsel other contestants on what to expect..."  

It is simply outrageous at this point....

I had the same reaction ~ It appeared almost as if Shawn was smiling because he was thinking "I can't believe they are making me do this....this is so stupid."

emusha wrote:just watched it -- this guy has issues and they're related to his ego...

I'm gonna call it like I see it...curious to see how things end up post-show but his behavior is just very off putting imho. possessive, jealous, disrespectful and not openminded. indeed all of this is egged on by producers but that only adds naive, not perceptive, lacks empathy for fellow contestants also going through the same thing to the list of attributes that we're seeing from him. producers work with what they got -- shawn's behavior is NOT a fluke, he's not drunk, he's had time to reflect... the consistency of his choices point to the approach he takes. JMHO

I actually am not even seeing the long term potential with K given his possessiveness...shouldn't he be considerate and want her to be happy in spite of what that situation means for him????

:Nod: Being considerate and wanting someone else's happiness above one's own wishes/wants is the definition of love.

That is the kind of love that lasts.

Everything else is just based on ego or romantic love/lust which fades with time.

jmho

SueSt wrote:

emusha wrote:

isittrue wrote:

Exactly!  No way is he getting a free pass because he is F1 or looks like Ryan Gosling.  Everybody is being thrown under the bus through TPTB and their own actions.  Freshness apparently is being real and being shown everyone's faults this season.  If anything I think Nick is being painted a little better than last season.

It goes both ways - I think had Nick been F1, the same people criticizing Kait and Shawn would be praising her for her good decision in choosing Nick since he is mature and so on.  Just the nature of the game.  

Shawn is not the villain this season....he is nowhere near where Nick was in terms of character assassination by the public -- this forum is not an indicator of public opinion imho

You're right, of course, emusha.  I can't understand how he gets a free pass.
I guess fans just want to see a love story regardless of how immature and feeble the characters are...

Is there any public outcry over the careless/arrogant snapgate?
N was crucified for it last season and it wasn't even his idea to share it. It was filmed without his permission.

eirekay wrote:

OnePromise wrote:

Hotmomma wrote:

To me it almost looks like he is smiling
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I saw that smile too.  Just as he walked in and said, "What's up?"  Not sure what to think about that... Could just be that Shawn saw how ridiculous the situation was as well.  

Maybe he needed someone to talk to about the sex situation and the producers said, "Well, Kaitlyn has had her fill of your after hours visits to her room?... Why don't you try talking to Nick about it?  That might shed some light on the subject...He likes to counsel other contestants on what to expect..."  

It is simply outrageous at this point....

I had the same reaction ~ It appeared almost as if Shawn was smiling because he was thinking "I can't believe they are making me do this....this is so stupid."

Agree. Reminds me of Nicks visit to the hotel last season. He had a similar smile

isittrue wrote:Someone pointed out that they may be giving Shawn the Nick edit from last year being FIR, overconfident and disregarding the other guys. Difference is Shawn wins.

Yup. And this is why I think Nick was ready to propose...because he saw Shawn acting overconfident the way he had acted last season so he took that as a sign that Shawn was more likely to be F2.
It's also why I am expecting Nick to be blindsided big time at FRC, especially if he proposes.

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when all is said and done -- I don't think K found her "forever one" on this show this season -- I don't think Nick is her guy (for specific reasons that have to do with compatibility) in the same token I don't think Shawn is her one due to his behavior so far in this relationship -- we haven't been shown enough for me to gauge for compatibility

I might be wrong but shawn doesn't seem to prioritize making K happy in spite of the effect that has on him for someone who keeps proclaiming he "loves that girl" that's pretty sad and unfortunate for her cos K prolly would see his possessiveness as passionate undeniable unbreakable love -- I can see them sticking together but I don't seem much of a constructive, growing, healthy relationship there....so I could also easily see them not stay together all the luck to them -- at this point I just hope the relationship will be a good learning opportunity for them both to grow in their approach and behavior ...I believe it has been so far from their humor on social media so we shall see ... I don't believe things will flip so immediately but here's to hoping and twt... the biggest thing tho is I hope K knows what her worth is and how a man should treat her and not sidestep and change her behavior to make him feel secure and "happy" by giving away her own freedom

JMHO

emusha wrote:when all is said and done -- I don't think K found her "forever one" on this show this season -- I don't think Nick is her guy (for specific reasons that have to do with compatibility) in the same token I don't think Shawn is her one due to his behavior so far in this relationship -- we haven't been shown enough for me to gauge for compatibility

I might be wrong but shawn doesn't seem to prioritize making K happy in spite of the effect that has on him for someone who keeps proclaiming he "loves that girl" that's pretty sad and unfortunate for her cos K prolly would see his possessiveness as passionate undeniable unbreakable love -- I can see them sticking together but I don't seem much of a constructive, growing, healthy relationship there....so I could also easily see them not stay together all the luck to them -- at this point I just hope the relationship will be a good learning opportunity for them both to grow in their approach and behavior ...I believe it has been so far from their humor on social media so we shall see ... I don't believe things will flip so immediately but here's to hoping and twt... the biggest thing tho is I hope K knows what her worth is and how a man should treat her and not sidestep and change her behavior to make him feel secure and "happy" by giving away her own freedom

JMHO

Great post! For me the issue is that Shawn fell far too hard too fast. In doing so, he lost all perspective. I sense that, IMO, the other guys have tolerated Shawn's over the top behavior without the hostility Nick got last year because they get that Shawn is head over heels. I think that's true of Kaitlyn as well. And who wouldn't (okay, maybe I wouldn't) want a guy that wanted you that badly?

My concern is that anyone who is that gone that fast hasn't evaluated their true feelings. They want to be in love so badly that they don't stop to consider who they are really falling for. That's why, IMO, the word obsessive comes up.

Has this preview been posted? http://www.etonline.com/tv/167415_exclusive_watch_bachelorette_kaitlyn_bristowe_tell_shawn_b_that_she_slept_with_nick_it_went_too_far/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

AmyB wrote:Has this preview been posted? http://www.etonline.com/tv/167415_exclusive_watch_bachelorette_kaitlyn_bristowe_tell_shawn_b_that_she_slept_with_nick_it_went_too_far/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

So she tells Shawn and only Shawn. She felt compelled to tell him, even though she doesn't owe him anything and didn't have to. I think that means something.

And you can tell Shawn can sense whatever she's gonna say is NOT going to be good news. It's written all over his face. UGH.

I posted in the other thread that this storyline reminds me of last season only we are privy to the convo between the Lead and F1 about Nick sex albeit earlier in the process