The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - Epi 8 July 6th - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

Ariela wrote:Can you give me an example of when Shawn is manipulative, or arrogant?

Examples IMO:

Shawn = arrogant = Going off to the producer about "Jared" getting a rose: "You're telling me she would rather have Jared than me?!" "That's BS, Absolutely BS". So Shawn expected that validation of getting GDR and he thinks he is up here and Jared is down there. Arrogant, imo. Especially considering what this show is and I am not falling for the "I have no idea what this show is about in 2015" or the bubble or the "you're the one" excuse. He is choosing what to say and that was his words when he didn't realize he was being filmed. A smart person will do some research before choosing to go on show and sign a contract.

Shawn = manipulative = continually putting Kaitlyn on the spot on camera "Are you in love with me? Yes or no?". And referencing that Kaitlyn told him he is the "one". Imo, and not looking at the end but the journey... what Kaitlyn meant and how Shawn took it were two different things because if Shawn was "the one" why sleep with Nick days after saying this if it is totally "the one" like no doubts whatsoever? Again, he is using Kaitlyn's words against her to make her feel guilt. She was crying the first time he said that "her words and actions don't match" and then crying again about Shawn confronting her and asking about Nick and her being scared... so continually crying and she made a mistake telling him he is the one and giving him that much reassurance. Some call it needy, some call it the bubble, some call it whatever, but considering Kaitlyn is lead, Shawn, imo, is manipulative by repeatedly going to Kaitlyn for his own validation... Why not sit back and see how Kaitlyn is rather than seeking validation time and time again?

Again, jmo and not expecting fans of Shawn to see either of these as examples. It is what it is.

^Kaitlyn doesn't seem to find any those behaviors arrogant or manipulative. I think she would send him packing if she did.

personal angst+assertiveness.

IA that Katilyn doesn't find those behaviors arrogant/manipulative.
But Kaitlyn not thinking so doesn't, imo, make them not so.
She is not objective as she is in it.
jmo

IMO every single person can be seen as manipulative depending on the situation. People may see Shawn as manipulative but if that is the case, so is Kaitlyn. She encourages his belief that he is F1 by telling him to hang on and telling him how much she misses him. Nick is also manipulative with his flirty behavior, his tears etc (and yet only he is seen as genuine by some), he just knows his way around the editing a bit more. I like all three so really trying not to judge. Remember to TPTB, this is all a game and nobody is going to look good at the end. Hate the game, not the players.

I am not looking forward to seeing Shawn attack Nick for a choice that Kaitlyn made. He is directing his anger at the wrong person, IMO. He needs to worry about his relationship with Kaitlyn first and foremost. Not Nick.

^^ IA... they all are manipulative and manipulated.
It just seems to be more likely that F1 and lead will get a pass if they are but the others not so much (and understandably so given the show being FRC but not so understandable given whether the couples actually marry).
I prefer to keep it all on the same playing field no matter their F-status, if you will. jmo

Kaitlyn seems happy & content two months post-bubble, so I'm guessing Shawn isn't being arrogant or manipulative.

I hope she does her reveal this episode so we can ride the wave with them and then see how they overcome it.

Whatever went down in the reality of filming, once the editing team gets to it, anything is game for their manipulation.
For me, generally anytime there is raised voices on tv indicating drama or conflict, I get a different feeling inside vs the warm fuzzy of seeing baby animals and cooing. 
I miss the dating show as ridiculous as it was. Even the Y&R has less yelling and drama.

agentcurls wrote:Kaitlyn seems happy & content two months post-bubble, so I'm guessing Shawn isn't being arrogant or manipulative.

I hope she does her reveal this episode so we can ride the wave with them and then see how they overcome it.

I agree. All her recent media show her as very happy and relaxed. Hoping to continue to see that when they're are on ATFR.

OnePromise wrote:I am not looking forward to seeing Shawn attack Nick for a choice that Kaitlyn made.  He is directing his anger at the wrong person, IMO.  He needs to worry about his relationship with Kaitlyn first and foremost.  Not Nick.  

I'm pretty sure Kaitlyn will get an earful from Shawn after her reveal.
I'm obsessed and fascinated by how they will overcome all of this.

I totally agree. Watching K tell S about her hookup and seeing how the two of them somehow manage to weather it out is the main reason for me watching the show right now. :Nod:

I say we see what we want to see.