The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - Epi 8 July 6th - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

nutty1 wrote:

isittrue wrote:I am still wondering what the scandalous information about Shawn which Nick spills

What do you mean? I was on vacation for 2 weeks and I am just catching up.

It is in the first page in the episode description. Whatever it is, I hope she does ask Shawn about it and they resolve whatever that is about. I'd to think she'd just dismiss it and not discuss it with him. I don't want it to be something bad that comes up later and makes her question her current relationship with Shawn. I do wonder if it ties into Nick calling Shawn arrogant and manipulative as well? So many questions!

This may be here somewhere, sorry if it is a duplicate. As I said, I was on vacation. If it is, I will delete this post or the mods could.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/bachelorette-sneak-peek-shawn-calls-nick-32211614

Seabear wrote:IMO- If Kaitlyn has sex with Nick a 2nd time in the FS then she was not truly concerned about losing Shawn or about his feelings. It is ridiculous to blame TPB.  Kaitlyn is a 30 yr old woman in charge of her own sexuality and choices on who and what she will share of herself.  I absolutely think she and Shawn are together and somehow he managed to deal with HER choices regarding sex with Nick.  Considering Shawn's insecurity with the process, I am amazed.

I totally agree with this...if it's not her fully her choice it makes her seem like she's ready to give it up for the highest bidder ie the show or she's manipulative

nutty1 wrote:This may be here somewhere, sorry if it is a duplicate. As I said, I was on vacation. If it is, I will delete this post or the mods could.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/bachelorette-sneak-peek-shawn-calls-nick-32211614

Hope you had a great trip. I am leaving for Disneyworld tomorrow so I will be in your shoes trying to catch up next week. LOL

Have fun!! I adore Disneyworld!!!!!!!!!
I was out of the country, so I was really left in the dark!

nutty1 wrote:Have fun!! I adore Disneyworld!!!!!!!!!
I was out of the country, so I was really left in the dark!

Thanks! I have a feeling I still will be checking this board for updates. Can't stay away!

nutty1 wrote:This may be here somewhere, sorry if it is a duplicate. As I said, I was on vacation. If it is, I will delete this post or the mods could.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/bachelorette-sneak-peek-shawn-calls-nick-32211614

It may have been posted previously, but if so, I missed it. I can just see producers behind this, "Shawn, really if I were you, I'd want to confront him. blah blah." Have we ever seen this kind of thing before so late in the season? Usually it's only in the early rounds, isn't it? Shawn, Shawn.

mysthelma wrote:I can't see how a producer can force K to have sex again with Nick to get a proposal if she didn't want to.

I honestly don't know how they got Kaitlyn to do what she did but in terms of what people will do when told to (not even forced to) by an authority figure you might find the Stanley Milgram Experiment to be an interesting if chilling read which came to these conclusions:

Ordinary people are likely to follow orders given by an authority figure, even to the extent of killing an innocent human being.  Obedience to authority is ingrained in us all from the way we are brought up.
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People tend to obey orders from other people if they recognize their authority as morally right and / or legally based. This response to legitimate authority is learned in a variety of situations, for example in the family, school and workplace.

Scary stuff but this experiment has been repeated with similar findings. In this case Kaitlyn was being asked to do something that was certainly not morally wrong to her so IMO it's not hard to understand why she would do it; the producers are certainly in the role of legally based authority figures to her in this situation.

K has not been one to follow orders from tptb -- there are several pieces of evidence of this includingher sneaking in to hang with the boys
she even is said to be calling the shots more so than usual for this show

BKay wrote:I can just see producers behind this, "Shawn, really if I were you, I'd want to confront him. blah blah." Have we ever seen this kind of thing before so late in the season? Usually it's only in the early rounds, isn't it?

So can I; if this was happening IRL I don't think that Shawn and Nick would ever have been BFFs but I don't think the confrontation would have been as dramatic (as I think it will be) and might never have happened at all. It happened IMO because the producers wanted it to happen. Usually these things get resolved earlier in the filming season but I can certainly understand how they were able to prolong the conflict as long as they did this season.

emusha wrote:K has not been one to follow orders from tptb -- there are several pieces of evidence of this includingher sneaking in to hang with the boys
she even is said to be calling the shots more so than usual for this show

But it has been speculated that the reason the producers had to change the format was because she was sneaking around off camera.  Like Sharleen pointed out in her blog, these producers don't want a relationship to develop off camera, they want it all there on film. I think they put their foot down with Kait after all this.

Agreed -- my main point is she'll do what she wants cos she's K. That's what we've seen from her from the onset. therefore there's no reason to believe really that the sex if she had it during FS with Nick was anything other than her own doing...esp in the privacy of a room that's not even being bugged